Hondo Alien wiring

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by gomi_otaku, Nov 11, 2015.

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  1. gomi_otaku

    gomi_otaku

    Jul 31, 2015
    Hey all-
    I've already done searches all over the internet, and every thread that references the wiring of the Hondo Alien steers people to the wiring diagram over at the vintage Kramer forum.
    However, the Alien is NOT a Kramer Duke Deluxe, with the splittable humbucking coil. It is a simple double jazz coil (which has been discussed in other threads)
    I'm trying to figure out the wiring on this thing, as I bought it from the Goodwill. I mapped out the wiring that is there, and am collecting new pots and got a new pickup as the original was falling apart and the poles were falling out. I'm new at figuring out guitar wiring, and was wondering if anyone else has this mapped out, or if I should post up what I have and see if it makes sense the way it is. I'm able to get it to work only if it is switched one way, and not the other (one way should be the pair, the other way should be single pickup I am assuming)
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2015
  2. gomi_otaku

    gomi_otaku

    Jul 31, 2015
    Quick sketch I did of how the Alien is wired as I got it (which looks to me like it should be correct per factory wiring. I'm thinking I have either a bad pot, or a bad switch 20151112_103645[1].jpg
     
  3. gomi_otaku

    gomi_otaku

    Jul 31, 2015
    So I guess the question I have (being new to wiring) is how do I know how to wire in my new pickup? The wires are matched, except blue is green on my pickup, and I also have an unsheathed wire that I assume is a ground (but my white wire goes to ground anyway?) and the pickup was shipped with the red and white tinned together. Do I separate them, and wire it as this diagram shows, and run the uninsulated wire to ground as well? I have not found a stock diagram anywhere that matches this (or utilizes a double jazz pickup like this anyway)
     
  4. gomi_otaku

    gomi_otaku

    Jul 31, 2015
    Hmmm, 46 views but nobody knows basic wiring better than me? Do I have to put up a picture of my bass first to get you excited?
     
  5. gomi_otaku

    gomi_otaku

    Jul 31, 2015
    s-l225.jpg Here's how it looked when I bought it. Debadged Alien
     
  6. so, you've got a vol, a tone and a series/parallel switch, right?

    what type of pickup did you buy. the colour codes vary from manufacturer to manufacturer.

    with some basic knowledge you can work out which wire is which, but as a novice you'd be better off contacting the pickup maker or checkingout their website for a series-parallel switch diagram.

    then just follow a p bass diagram for the vol and tone pots.
     
  7. Crater

    Crater

    Oct 12, 2011
    Dallas, TX area
    The color codes are not standard, every company has their own color code. Hopefully you either know who manufactured your replacement pickup. Otherwise, get an ohm meter if you don't have one already.

    Yes, separate the red and white wires, that's necessary to have the series/parallel switching, which is what your diagram shows. Series setting will be louder and bassier, parallel setting should be lower output but with almost single-coil tone, but both settings are hum-cancelling. Yes the unsheathed wire is ground and yes the white goes to ground too.

    It is wired like any other humbucking guitar or bass pickup. Just do a search for "series parallel humbucker diagram" and there's a bunch of links.

    If by chance you wire it up but the sound is very weak and trebly, you may have one of the coils out of phase, swap the wires on one coil to fix this.
     
  8. gomi_otaku

    gomi_otaku

    Jul 31, 2015
    That helps a lot. I was thinking I needed to ohm them out to make sure what circuits are to each coil, but I suspect that it is the same, just green instead of blue. I guess I was going at this thinking of the pickup as one pickup when it is actually a pair- which would be wired the same whether they are right next to each other or separated, right?
     
  9. Crater

    Crater

    Oct 12, 2011
    Dallas, TX area
    Yes, the series/parallel wiring scheme is the same whether it's for two separate pickups or just a single double-coil (humbucker) pickup. Since the two coils are so close together, they would sound practically identical if you wired them up in a normal 2 pickup scheme like a Jazz bass.
     
  10. gomi_otaku

    gomi_otaku

    Jul 31, 2015
    Does the diagram I have of my original wiring look like it would work correctly? Because doing a search, I'm finding so many different wiring schemes, some of which run all wires to the switch, some routing that uninsulated wire along with one of the coil wires to the switch, etc. I'd like think that what I have is the original wiring for this guitar (and which is incorrectly referenced in any online discussion to the Kramer Duke wiring diagram which does not fit it) so I can at least have a baseline to start with- and then if I want to start modifying things I can change from my baseline.
     
  11. Yeah, but I'd reverse the middle and clockwise lugs on the volume pot. Follow a P bass wiring.

    Nah, there's a good chance that won't work. For example, Bartolini pickups use black, white, green, red as well, but they have black and white as one coil and green and red as the other. But in your diagram, for that series-parallel switch to work, one coil is white and blue, the other is black and red.

    If you don't have access to your new pickup wiring from the manufacturer's site, you'll need to bust out the multimeter I'm afraid...
     
  12. gomi_otaku

    gomi_otaku

    Jul 31, 2015
    It is an Artec pickup, but I'll have to search more as I can't find wiring setup for this one. It was the only one I could find that matched the coil that came with the bass, but the newest catalog I can find online does not even show it, though I have found it in other catalogs.
    I guess I don't get what you mean about the volume pot (or why it would make a difference)
    BTW, I noticed that I didn't have one of the caps labelled, it is just a square on the pot in the drawing. It is a 2A223K- so that makes it a .022? At first I thought the cap itself was blank but now that I am moving things around it appears on the backside.
     
  13. Oh I see. I wondered what that square thing was on the volume pot. Yeah a cap like that across the terminals is a treble bleed. It compensates for the loading effect that the pot has on the pickup when it's wired like that. 22nF is much larger than usual for this job, but understandable in your case. With the pickup connected to the middle lug, it "sees" a diminishing impedence as the volume is turned down and that progressively chokes the treble. Jazz basses have their twin volume pots wired like this so you can blend the two pickups. With a single pickup I'd recommend wiring the volume pot in the standard way, with the pickup output connected to the clockwise lug, and the jack being fed from the middle lug. You still get a small amount of treble reduction this way (due to cable capacitance mostly), but generally most players won't need any treble bypass cap. Those that do, usually opt for a cap that is around 20 times smaller than the one that you have there.

    Cool. I have used a few of these over the years. IME, they are cheap, but well designed and made.

    As for the wiring, well with a multimeter, first you need to work out which pairs of wires belong to which coils. Then you need to make sure the two coils are in phase. You do this by tapping the top of the coils and noting the polarity of the voltage spike. And thirdly, with a pickup that has exposed pole pieces, you need to work out which overall polarity will give you quietest operation. You do this simply by attaching the coils to an amp then touching the poles. If they buzz, then reverse the phase. If the pickup is RWRP, then they will both be in phase and quiet. Finally you need to orientate the pickup in the bass so that the coil that is on the hot side when switched to series is away from your fingers if possible as it will buzz slightly when touched.
     
  14. gomi_otaku

    gomi_otaku

    Jul 31, 2015
    Thanks, finally got all the parts I was waiting for and got it wired up.
     
  15. I need to rewire mine, too. Was your schematic correct?