How do big name acts treat their bass players?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by IamGroot, Oct 26, 2021.

  1. IamGroot


    Jan 18, 2018
    Good - Tom Petty, Huey Lewis

    Bad - Billy Joel, Elton John
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  2. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    And you base this on ...?
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  3. Michedelic

    Michedelic MId-Century Modern

    Usually, a bowl of water, and a little mat over in the corner; treats if they’re real good.
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  4. kreider204


    Nov 29, 2008
    Elton John makes them wear funny costumes. Billy Joel plays "Piano Man" over and over. It's inhumane, really.
  5. IamGroot


    Jan 18, 2018
    Tom Petty, Huey Lewis.... Treated the band well and they stuck around a long time.

    Elton John fired his band after Yellow Brick Road. Ingratitude

    Billy Joel....plays Madison Square Garden for $$$, pays band a pittance
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  6. Element Zero

    Element Zero Supporting Member

    Dec 14, 2016
    No one at a Billy Joel concert is there to see the band…
  7. Shalto


    Aug 23, 2019
    Not that I know from experience but I imagine these days its like this:

    "Thanks for playing with us on this tour. Here's your pay. You did well and we will keep you in mind for next time".
  8. Texaspandj


    Feb 13, 2021
    Heart Of Texas
    I would guess bands that are named after the artist you'd be just a hired musician. However, bands without a person's name you'd be part of the Band.
    Example, The Rolling stones, ZZ Top, Moroon 5 they stick with the same members and the bass players are equal and treated accordingly. But it's a you pick'em with bands acts like Stng, Billy Joel, taylor swift, etc.
    Of course there are exceptions, Bruce Springsteen, and Bryan Adams come to mind who seem to keep the same members.
  9. theduke1

    theduke1 Supporting Member

    Dec 22, 2010
    Sussex WI
    If you want to know the real story watch the Netflix rockumentory Hired Guns
    It is told by the hired musicians of top teared acts
    It opened my eyes
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2021
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  10. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    Why do we tell people in band management to do what they want if they are BL, yet some complain when a pro does the same?
  11. Element Zero

    Element Zero Supporting Member

    Dec 14, 2016
    Hmm. I don’t see it listed.
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  12. ellipsis

    ellipsis Supporting Member

    Mar 20, 2010
    Santa Fe, NM
  13. Kevorargh

    Kevorargh Supporting Member

    Nov 2, 2013
    West Bethel, Maine
    Hired Gun ins a great movie, especially Liberty DeVitto's story about getting fired by Billy Joel in the 2000s. Hired Guns don't make a ton of money - even Jason Newsted tells the story of getting $500 a show during the Metallica tour before AJFA right after Cliff died.
  14. Ekulati

    Ekulati Supporting Member

    Jan 2, 2016
    Richmond, VA
    Hmm, your premise seems like generalizing. Where do you get that this was bad treatment?

    I loved Dee Murray and the rest of Elton's band. But after 6-7 years and 7-8 albums ( depending on how you count), isn't it possible that it was just time for a change? Of course, he was kinda being a jerk at that point. Maybe a little of both and not solely him just being ungrateful. Again, generalizing
  15. matti777

    matti777 Supporting Member

    Dec 13, 2007
    Edmonton, Canada
    If you are hired is there not a scale? If my memory serves me the big players get 2x, 3x scale, etc. Does it not all boil down to whether you are a member or just paid for services? Big difference I would think just like having your name on the song.
  16. Doctor Intrepid

    Doctor Intrepid

    Dec 27, 2017
    I know Billy Joel's bass player committed suicide after Joel fired him after years of service. Joel himself got robbed by his manager, or accountant - I can't recall - and then treated his band like poopie afterward.
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  17. theduke1

    theduke1 Supporting Member

    Dec 22, 2010
    Sussex WI
    Try Hulu or do an internet search
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  18. theduke1

    theduke1 Supporting Member

    Dec 22, 2010
    Sussex WI
    From 2016 IMBD Hired Gun
  19. IamGroot


    Jan 18, 2018
    And then there were decent people like Duke Ellington who paid his band members top dollar, wrote songs to highlight his players strengths, and - when times were tough, never furloughed anybody or cut their wages, but paid the band out of his own pocket. DUke never fired anybody unless there were serious Mingus (who was just filling in temporarily).
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  20. Killing Floor

    Killing Floor Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2020
    Austin, TX
    Bono makes Adam Clayton work the merch table after the shows. I’m told.
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