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How do you install strings on standard machine heads???

Discussion in 'Strings [BG]' started by lo-end, Aug 2, 2001.


  1. lo-end

    lo-end

    Jun 15, 2001
    PA
    I am a veteran when it comes to installing strings on vintage fender-style machine heads. However, a friend just gave me an ibanez gio bass and it has a different type of machine heads. :eek: I understand that these are called "standard" machine heads. Anyway, I have no idea whatsoever how to install strings on this bass. It is completely different from the traditional Fender-style machineheads on my other bass. Can someone tell me how to wind the strings on this bass? I understand theres something called an "eyelet" that you have to put the strings through but I dont know what this is. Help!!
     
  2. lo-end

    lo-end

    Jun 15, 2001
    PA
    ok just in case you dont know what the hell i'm talking about, standard tuning keys are the things that have the hole at the bottom of head instead of in the middle so theres no space underneath it to wrap the string like vintage heads have. Its just a big slit with a hole in the bottom and nothing else under it.

    here is my background info from mrgearhead.net:

    "Standard keys - You will want to pre-cut each string to achieve the proper length and the desired amount of winds. Pull the 4th string 3" past the 4th string tuning post and cut it (make sure when you are pulling the strings that you are pulling the string taut). Insert through the eyelet in the tuning key, allowing approximately 1/16" of the end to extend through the eyelet, then wind neatly in a downward pattern (carefully as to prevent overlapping of the strings). Pull the 3rd string 3 1//2" past the 3rd string tuning post and cut it. Now, repeat the winding procedure. Pull the 2nd string 3 1/2" past the 2nd string tuning post and cut it. Again, repeat the winding procedure. Pull the 1st string 3 1/2" past the 1st string tuning post and cut it. Finally, repeat the winding procedure one more time. Note: For 5-string basses follow the above procedures, cutting the 5th string 3" past the 5th tuning post."
     
  3. Captain Awesome

    Captain Awesome

    Apr 2, 2001
    PDX
    Standard tuning keys are the ones that Fender currently uses.
    The ones on the Ibanez GSR are the vintage style.
     
  4. lo-end

    lo-end

    Jun 15, 2001
    PA
    aha... so then how do you install strings on them then?
     
  5. Captain Awesome

    Captain Awesome

    Apr 2, 2001
    PDX
    Exactly what mrgearhead.net says for vintage keys: (My bass has vintage style keys and this worked perfectly)

    Vintage keys - You will want to pre-cut each string to achieve the proper length and the desired amount of winds. Pull the 4th string 4" past the 4th string tuning post and cut it (make sure when you are pulling the strings that you are pulling the string taut). Insert into the center hole of the tuning key, bend and crimp to a 90° angle, and wind neatly in a downward pattern (carefully as to prevent overlapping of the strings). Pull the 3rd string 4 1/2" past the 3rd string tuning post and cut it. Now, repeat the winding procedure. Pull the 2nd string 4 1/2" past the 2nd string tuning post and cut it. Again, repeat the winding procedure. Pull the 1st string 4 1/2" past the 1st string tuning post and cut it. Finally, repeat the winding procedure one more time. Note: For 5-string basses follow the above procedure cutting the 5th string 3 1/2" past the 5th tuning post.
     
  6. lo-end

    lo-end

    Jun 15, 2001
    PA
    well this doesnt work because the tuners arent this kind... here is a picture I drew :D

    [​IMG]

    does anyone know what this is and how to put strings on it? It cant be a standard tuner since there isnt any post below the hole to put the string on. The hole is so low that the opening is at the same level as the headstock itself. No post underneath at all.
     
  7. lo-end

    lo-end

    Jun 15, 2001
    PA
  8. Aaron

    Aaron

    Jun 2, 2001
    Bellingham, WA
    I think you need to put the string in the hole and turn the peg. I'm not sure though, i put on strings like a guitar player (works good for me, i prefere it over the other way.
     
  9. istaticl

    istaticl

    Nov 29, 2000
    Prescott, AZ
    Thats a really wierd tuning key, never seen one like it.
     
  10. lo-end

    lo-end

    Jun 15, 2001
    PA
    I was using a weird method where I put the string in the hole then pull it up to the top and start wrapping it downward like normal, but I had to overlap the string a little bit. I guess Ill just stick with that since this bass sucks anyway...

    by the way the tuners look EXACTLY like the picture I drew. except for the bottom part... I couldnt get that to look realistic but you get the point... no room for the string below the hole.
     
  11. Captain Awesome

    Captain Awesome

    Apr 2, 2001
    PDX
    What model is it? I have a gsr-200 and the tuners look like this:
    <img src="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&attachmentid=788">
     
  12. lo-end

    lo-end

    Jun 15, 2001
    PA
    I guess its a really old Ibanez because it says "Gio Ibanez" on the front of the headstock and "GTR 50" on the back. It is made in Indonesia, and it doesnt say Soundgear anywhere on the bass. It doesnt even look like a soundgear. There is only a non-reverse P pickup on it. This is a very strange little bass... Anyone know anything about it?
     
  13. I have those on my REALLY old japanese copy of a Jazz bass, you sust wrap them like you would on the fender standards. Put the end of the string into the hole, bend it at a right angle and then start to wrap the string around the peg head coiling lower each time, you don't need to get the string below the hole, just below the nut so that you get good tention accross the nut so the strings dont buzz :)
     
  14. lo-end

    lo-end

    Jun 15, 2001
    PA
    I have a copy of that in my room :rolleyes:

    if you were listening, youd know that that doesnt apply to the type of tuners that I have because that article is for fender-style tuners.
     
  15. it also has 2+2 headstocks....it's not just fender. ;)