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How loud and big gig can I do with this?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by jock, Sep 20, 2001.


  1. jock

    jock

    Jun 7, 2000
    Stockholm, Sweden
    One Bag End S15-d. And a 200W alltube head.
    I´m talking about a situation without help from a PA. I want to know how much power you can pump into a bag end 15. Can you do large pubs with this setup?:confused:
     
  2. 200w is nice for pubs.. you don't have an open area, like a concert-hall / school-gym, so the resonance in the room is pretty dense.

    i'd say it'll do, but if you're planning on doing bigger gig's in the (near) future, better save some more money up for more Watts.
     
  3. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    You didn't say what kind of music. You could go folk, blues, country and jazz gigs for years with that rig and handle almost any room.

    If you're cranking out loud rock and are not going through a PA you might want to add a second cabinet.
     
  4. Bob Gollihur

    Bob Gollihur GollihurMusic.com

    Mar 22, 2000
    New Joisey Shore
    Big Cheese Emeritus: Gollihur Music
    It really depends on your competition and their volumes. I played with 300 watts/2x10 for a while, but it was with a pair of guitarists with smaller amps and a gentle drummer. The band I'm playing with now was often doing some louder/larger rooms with PA support (but not for bass), so over the past couple years I went through a couple other rigs, and now I'm pushing 2400w through a pair of .

    So, I repeat. It really depends on your competition and their volumes.
     
  5. jock

    jock

    Jun 7, 2000
    Stockholm, Sweden
    I havn´t decided what amp to get yet but I wold like to have only one small cab. I am thinking of a QSC PLX power amp eventually.

    What I wonder is how loud can the Bag End s15d be with the amp of your chice.

    Btw I play pop/rock with a rather loud band.

    Thanks for your replies so far.:)
     
  6. this bag end cab will pound if you get more power. you need more headroom.
     
  7. Jerry J

    Jerry J Supporting Member

    Mar 27, 2000
    P-town, OR
    I have a Bag End S15X-D and this is the cab that I use most. It's great to carry the amp in one hand and the cab in the other. I'm using an Eden WT-800 which I'm certain would rip the speaker to pieces if I opened it up. But it is one thumpin' cab. Bag End is an wonderful company. I'm VERY impressed with their customer service and Tech Support. I had a small problem with my 2x12 cab and they were right on top of it. No foolin' around.

    Jock, you also mentioned the QSC PLX. I have the 2402 and it is one authoritive amp. In fact it's real scary for such a light amp. I'm sure it could blow out some neon signs if I had the cabs to support it. Thumbs up on this amp. If you are thinking about getting one I'd recommend getting two S15's. That way you could take out an out of control guitarist if you wanted to.
     
  8. ZuluFunk

    ZuluFunk

    Apr 14, 2001
    Pennsylvania
    Though the wattage isn't overwhelming, I think you can get more volume and clearer tone it you add a 210 or 410 cab. Are you rated for 4ohms? The BagEnd has 8ohm impedance. You may be over-doing it if you try to push for a clear tone through that big speaker as you bring the volume up. You will get good feel with that cab, but you'd be heard better if you add some smaller stuff.

    Are you Biamping?
     
  9. An all tube head should have power tranny taps for four and eight ohms at the same power rating. I have a 200 watt Mesa Buster 1x15 combo, and I have yet to play anywhere where I actually needed my second 1x15 cabinet. That rig should provide enough juice to play small to medium sized clubs without PA support. Looking at your profile, I don't think a super clean sound is something you're really interested in too much, so don't worry about headroom. If you want more sound, add another cabinet. I wouldn't worry about your amp.
     
  10. cb56

    cb56

    Jul 2, 2000
    Central Illinois
    My BagEnd S15-D 's are due in today. I'll report in on them this weekend. Although I plan on running both cabs plus a carvin 210 with my Hartke 7000 I also have an Ampeg 200 watt (8ohm) amp. I'll check it out with that amp also. My 200 watt amp is solid state yours is tube so I expect that yours will be louder than mine. In the end I think adding a 2nd cab will be the way to go for you.
     
  11. ZuluFunk

    ZuluFunk

    Apr 14, 2001
    Pennsylvania
    The 7000 is 350watts per side at 4 ohms and 240watts per side at 8 ohms. The S-15D has 8ohms impedance each so won't two of these be pulling the limit? If you add a 210, assuming it's also rates at 8 ohms, won't this cause a problem? Do you run the three speakers with a Y-jack or do you have more than two outputs? How do you pull that off? I'm a stooge when it comes to amps.
     
  12. cb56

    cb56

    Jul 2, 2000
    Central Illinois
    Simple, as you stated the Hartke 7000 has TWO 350 watt (4ohm) power amps.

    AMP #1 gets the 2 Bag ends.
    Two 8ohm cabs =4ohms
    so the Bag Ends will get 175 watts each.

    AMP #2 gets the 4ohm Carvin 210 wedge.
    So it gets all 350 watts of amp #2 at 4 ohms.

    I get powerful lows at my back and the definition of 210's in my face. And the heaviest peice of gear in the rig is 47lbs. so everything can be picked up with one hand. or load several pieces on a hand truck. Also I have the option of only using part of the rig as gigs dictate.
     
  13. ZuluFunk

    ZuluFunk

    Apr 14, 2001
    Pennsylvania
    Sweet. Thanks for explaining.