How many winds around the tuner peg is not enough?

Discussion in 'Strings [BG]' started by John B jr, Jun 7, 2020.

  1. John B jr

    John B jr

    Oct 16, 2016
    Sunnyvale, CA
    Thanks to the recommendations found here in the string forum, couldn't wait to wear out the round-wounds that came with my new Precision so I could install some GHS Pressure wounds. I cut off the E-string with the usual amount that I'd use on my non-Fender basses that have much smaller diameter pegs. Instead of three wraps, I got almost a wrap and a half. It's staying in tune but I'm worried that it will perform a rapid, unintentional disassembly at a crucial moment.

    As an aside, the strings sound fine after a minor EQ adjustment on the amp. I also bought a set of flat wounds that people here like on their J-basses; the Fender 9050s because I'm guessing the tight grouping with a thinner E and a thicker G will have a slightly more even volume level. If this E-string fails due to my mistake, it probably won't be at a convenient time. The rhythm section is getting back together next week! Would you consider this winding to be a risk?

  2. That E string looks just like the one on my J. I cut it a bit too short by mistake. The good news is no issue with it whatsoever (since Feb).

    I wouldn't worry about it.
  3. JW56789

    JW56789 Guest

    Feb 18, 2017
    Well, you sure couldn't have any less, but I think you'll get away with it and know better next time. I try and shoot for 3 times around. We've all done this.

    PS: ONLY tune UP; you never want to see it sharp on the tuner and ease back down to pitch. If you go sharp, back off enough to go flat and tune up to pitch. Always.

    I once saved a bunch of money buying a used BB5000: Great shape, everything worked, but the tuning would creep flat a note at a time, like someone bending a vibrato bar down on a Strat. The Previous Owner had cut the strings so short, it made half a loop around the post and down into the hole ! When the guy asked how I liked it, I replied I liked it fine but no way was I paying their asking price: "Listen to This". I explained I'd have to take it to my guitar repairman, and I wanted money off to cover that. He never figured out what was going on, I saved a LOT of money on it, and naturally took it straight home, re-strung it, and it played and stayed in tune perfectly. Yippee ! ! !
  4. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    Less than ideal, but should be ok.

    I always save the old strings when I change, just in case I need something quickly in case of an emergency.
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  5. That's not a problem at all. It's the "A" string on Fenders that can benefit from three wraps.
    It has nothing to do with it coming apart or slipping, but rather the extra wraps help with the break angle over the nut.
    The "E" string already has a good break angle by virtue of its position on the head, and the "D & G" strings have a string button to produce the appropriate break angle.
  6. micguy


    May 17, 2011
    Tune it up a full step. Leave it for a day or two. If it doesn't slip with 24% more tension (what a full step up does), then it'll very likely be fine at standard pitch and tension.
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  7. GHS strings in general are designed in a way once they're tuned up to pitch, they're very secure.

    Here's mine:

    Only one and a half wraps like yours...

    GHS PW E 200607.jpg
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  8. John B jr

    John B jr

    Oct 16, 2016
    Sunnyvale, CA
    I'm really liking the advice, especially @quickfix for the detail and @Michael T who went down this exact road. The tips are most welcome. I'll stress test it overnight as @micguy recommended and keep the flats handy wherever I go. Thanks to all of you upstanding members of TB.
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  9. Fyi...

    I'm michael_t, not Michael T. ;)
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  10. John B jr

    John B jr

    Oct 16, 2016
    Sunnyvale, CA
    That's what I get for doing a shout-out without double checking. Now Mr. T. will be like "what?" So Michael, do those PW strings settle in after a while? I've had them on about a week and they're still on the bright side. I play an hour or more every day on them.
  11. Give them another week or two.
  12. The last bass I restrung was a Squier E7 Korean Bullet I found at my local pawn shop . I had a new set of TIs I’d been wanting to put on something-perfect candidate. I generally restring string one string at a time .

    This time I thought no need to measure just cut the same as the ones coming off. All good except for the “g”. Same story-1 1/2 wraps. Doesn’t appear to be slipping and staying in tune. Still bugs me that I did it but not enough to put a new set on and don’t think you can buy single TIs.

    Not as bad as my buddy who (and I warned him what I’d just done) cut his new set of Rotosounds flats “g” too short to even reach the post.
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  13. John B jr

    John B jr

    Oct 16, 2016
    Sunnyvale, CA
    Thanks @michael_t
    Until then, I have a slightly sad-face EQ going on. The rest comes from the where my picking/plucking hand hits. I'm so happy that I finally stepped up to a P-bass. The fivers and the A/E just rest on their stands. I'm not a case/bag user except for transporting them but that's a question for another thread.
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  14. Killing Floor

    Killing Floor Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2020
    Austin, TX
    Yep. I’m with @quickfix on the A. Lesson learned for next time. Leave a little more. The string ought to hold fine.
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  15. wild4oldcars


    Jan 22, 2012
    Garner, NC
    Conventional wisdom for larger fender style tuners is three pegs past. Cut the e string at the g peg, and follow suit with similar lengths. I tend to do a bit more on the A to get a good break angle but three pegs is a pretty good rule of thumb.
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  16. DCCat


    Jan 20, 2020
    Northern Virginia
    You can definitely buy single TIs, even on Amazon if you look carefully. Bought a TIJF D string recently. Not cheap, of course.
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  17. I was thinking I’d only seen individual “b” strings for sale. Thanks for the heads up. Not seeing any issues so far with the g so I’m good. I’ll just be more careful next time.
  18. Kukulkan61

    Kukulkan61 Inactive

    Feb 8, 2011
    Northern Arizona
    144149EA-6E72-4EBD-A0A8-20ED81EFC803.jpeg 6B12FEDF-D789-4695-BCF6-C8DC8E0E6397.jpeg The G&L is properly done, the Fender came out a little short, no issues, I wouldn’t sweat it!
  19. John B jr

    John B jr

    Oct 16, 2016
    Sunnyvale, CA
    This is the angle that makes it look like it could use more break over the nut.
    Fretboard end.jpg
  20. GIBrat51

    GIBrat51 Innocent as the day is long Supporting Member

    Everybody has their preferences in this "How many winds?" area; I certainly do have mine. But, to answer the question "How many winds is not enough..."? I think I'd say that, personal obsessiveness and/or aesthetic considerations aside; it just depends on the string; how you put it on the tuner peg; and the tuner peg itself. There is no cut and dried answer. One wrap of a silkless nickel round on a small diameter Gotoh tuner might work just fine. One wrap of a flat with silk, around a big chrome Fender tuner, OTOH, might be totally inadequate. Like most things around here; it just depends... Personally? I'm kind of obsessive, and try very hard to always have three wraps on every tuner post - every time...:rolleyes:
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