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Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by kentiki, Apr 18, 2015.
Any suggestions on how to acheive this type of finish? Any suggestions welcome?
It looks like that finish was achieved by staining the wood black, and then sanding it enough to remove some of the staining but not all of it. And then multiple coats of clear lacquer were applied on top.
looks like white grain filler, and then black stain, etc.
If I were going to give it a go I'd :
Sand swamp ash body to 120
Use a super concentrated water based trans black dye.
knock off the fluff (180 or something) and dye again.
carefully but not excessively, grain fill with natural or white, (probably water based)
knock back the grain filler (220) till the black comes back.
rub a light concentrated trans black (probably alcohol based) to bring back the black and makes the white grain filler gray.
shoot the whole thing with 2k urethane, sand, buff whatever.
I used to work in the finish department for a larger high end guitar maker that did this type of finish.
This look is achieved by:
- staining the wood black
- sealing the wood with a light coat of sealer or whatever you are using for your topcoat
- porefilling over the seal coat with white fill
- then seal over porefill and proceed with normal topcoating
It is imperative that you seal the stained wood before applying the porefill. The seal coat must be thin enough to leave the pores open, but thick enough to keep the porefill from getting caught up in the general texture of the wood surface between the pores.
What did you use for the white fill?
Spackle, wall filler, plaster of paris, white pore filler, etcetera. This is also called a "pickle" finish. You can dye the filler a contrasting colour too, like red or bright green, etc...
Everybody here has given good advice.
Woodworkers call this finish "ceruse".
Google ceruse wood finish and you'll get lots of ideas.
My favorite version is Kauer Guitars' Starry Night.
The pics are actually of a Kauer.
I was browsing on my phone...I guess I've never seen a Daylighter bass from behind.
Google "kauer dougk starry night" and you can find out exactly how he does it, then.
I think he also called it "dog hair" early on.
He's discussed it at least a few time online at Reranch and the My Les Paul forums.
get a black gloss guitar and then draw the wood grain on with a fine tip white paint marker, just kidding, don't do that
Jerzy Drozd Bass Guitar Soul V ref. 52610
I really like that finish
Right. Paint the whole thing white then use a black magic marker. She's a black magic marker trying to make a pencil out of me...
I recently did this finish, ceruse type like you are looking for.
The clears are up to you, and you'll need to think about compatibility, but here's what I did.
Raise the grain with water, sand it back with 400, repeat 3 times. Dye black with aniline dye, or india ink.
5-6 wipe on thin coats of 1lb cut platina shellac, mix it yourself.
Then white grain filler, rubbing it all off briskly once it begins to set, the white will stay in the grain.
Then, seal the fill with some more shellac.
Clear coat and finish as you like. Mine was water based wipe on poly, with the gloss knocked back
The pore fill they use is made by a company called Chemcraft. Its a solvent based grain filler that is meant to be rubbed on and wiped off while wet to avoid having to sand off hardened filler paste. The advantage of avoiding having to sand back hardened grain filler is that it allows you to avoid the risk of sanding through the stain (in this case black dye) that is under the pore filler and sealer.