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How to connect two cabs (4 & 8 Ohm) and two heads (Markbass)

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Syl_Funky_bass, Jan 10, 2020.


  1. Rip Van Dan

    Rip Van Dan DNA Endorsing Artist Supporting Member

    Feb 2, 2009
    Duvall, WA
    Yes, that would be unfortunate. That's an unusual way to design it, but they probably had a specific reason to set it up so the the effects return comes back in before the EQ section...wonder why they did that? About the only way to negate that second preamp section would be to run everything on the slave at whatever is actually flat.
     
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  2. Papuzzo

    Papuzzo

    Dec 11, 2017
    Milan, Italy
    Using 2 2x12 cabs gives you the best of both worlds on many fronts. 12" speakers are a great compromise between 10" and 15" and can sound great for both old school stuff as well as slap bass. One 2x12 is roughly equivalent to a 3x10 in area, so in many cases a single 2x12 is enough, but when more speaker area is needed a pair of 2x12s is equivalent to a 6x10. And by using 2 cabs stacked the sound in the room changes as you have one cab on the floor and one cab up higher and the sound becomes very full. Much more than what a single 4x10 can do. And then, they are smaller, easier to transport and carry than a 4x10. I think it is the most versatile amplification system there is for normal budgets.
     
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  3. Syl_Funky_bass

    Syl_Funky_bass

    Jun 4, 2016
    Niice! I can't wait! :)
     
  4. Syl_Funky_bass

    Syl_Funky_bass

    Jun 4, 2016
    One more question for you guys:

    What would you think of two Ninja 212 cabs powered by the Little Mark 3 (500 Watts @ 4 Ohm)?
    Would the LMIII be powerful enough? I'm just asking for personal opinions as I'm curious about it.

    Is the Little Ninja (1000 Watts) actually necessary according to you?
    Is a 500 Watts head powerful enough to drive two 212 Ninja cabs?

    I'm playing on small (bars), medium and big stages (festivals). No stadiums yet :).

    Thanks.
     
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  5. JimChjones

    JimChjones

    Aug 6, 2017
    SE England
    You could power your 212s with the headphone output on your mobile phone if you wanted, and it would be audible across the room at least. I'm not sure there's such a thing as not powerful enough per se.

    I don't think any of us can say how loud you need to play. And don't forget the difference between 500W and 1000W is the same as the difference between 250 and 500... Personally I cannot imagine ever wanting to be in a situation where I needed to turn up a 500W amp driving 4 12s to anywhere near its limits, but others disagree.

    The LM would certainly be more than adequate as a spare for emergencies.
     
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  6. Papuzzo

    Papuzzo

    Dec 11, 2017
    Milan, Italy
    A Little Mark 250 will drive the two 2x12 cabs to the point where your drummer will tell you to turn it down because he can't hear himself.
     
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  7. Syl_Funky_bass

    Syl_Funky_bass

    Jun 4, 2016
    Thanks for the answer.

    I'm not expecting anybody to tell me how loud I need to play.
    Fact is my only amp has been a Little Mark III for many years and that I genuinely want you guys to share experiences where more than 500 Watts (in this case through 2x 212'' speakers) would be necessary. Because I cannot picture it myself.

    Or if I put it differently: for what kind of situations is a 1000 Watt amp head such as the Little Ninja deigned for?

    All this being said, I'm now pretty sure my Little Mark 3 would do the job.

    Thanks.
     
  8. Syl_Funky_bass

    Syl_Funky_bass

    Jun 4, 2016
    Thanks for the insight man.
    Then when is a 1000 Watt head really needed for?
     
  9. Papuzzo

    Papuzzo

    Dec 11, 2017
    Milan, Italy
    I guess for driving two 4x10s at very high volumes, maybe outdoor concerts. The other thing 1000W can do is increase your headroom substantially so you never peak or the preamp gets driven into distortion. It will always stay crystalline, even at high volumes.

    As for your LMIII, that is a great amp and it has some serious balls. I don't think you will notice too much of a difference in volume between that and the ninja until you are at deafening levels. I have a LM250 and this thing can drive my 2 2x12 cabs to insane volumes without going over 12 o'clock on the master.

    From another perspective, why would anyone need a 1500hp Bugatti when the speed limit is so low? I guess because every now and then you find yourself in Germany and that Bugatti sure would be fun to drive. I guess that is why they make 1000W amps, for those rare occasions where tons of raw power is needed or welcomed.
     
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  10. Syl_Funky_bass

    Syl_Funky_bass

    Jun 4, 2016
    It all becomes clear. Thanks for the knowledge.
     
  11. Buggered if I know. Maybe Markbass Watts aren't all that great? 250 Trace Watts or 300 Ampeg Watts and your 412 will be louder than the drums.

    You never need to be louder than drums. Your ''500w'' amp really should be plenty loud enough to be too loud if you crank it.
     
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  12. JimChjones

    JimChjones

    Aug 6, 2017
    SE England
    I struggle to find a need for an amp that big, but I'd make some completely uniformed guesses about factors that govern their existence.
    The first is that power amplifiers that big are needed for PA applications, which in turn means components and design are available so very large solid state amplifiers are practical and cost effective. A 1KW tube amplifier, on the other hand, would be a very expensive beast.
    Another is that huge increments of power are needed to make modest increases in volume. I think I'm right in saying a 1000W amp is only 4 times as loud as a 10W one.
    But of course the clincher is that people buy them...
     
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  13. is the guts of it.
     
  14. Papuzzo

    Papuzzo

    Dec 11, 2017
    Milan, Italy
    But you have to admit, it sounds really cool in bass circles to say "Oh yeah? My amp goes to 1000 watts! Yeah Baby!!!"

    All joking aside, the trend is going to less noise on stage and more and more people are using IEM. In the 70's and 80's we had the wall of marshalls and ampegs, today the cabs are empty and only for show. And more often guitarists and bassists are using simple preamps and amp modelers to craft their sound and then direct to PA. For playing smaller venues we now have noise limitations and gone are the days of full stacks for 100 person concerts. Lately I see a lot of non-rock bands playing with small combo amps and sounding great. So, for the OP, the 1000W ninja is really overkill, considering the Little Mark III is overkill for most of today's situations. I play in a jazz fusion band and use a single TCE 2x12 and my Little Mark 250 between 10 and 11 o'clock on the master. Anything over 11 and the band, and drummer, start telling me to turn it down.
     
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