How to get that vicious Hardcore Punk/Powerviolence bass sound

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by gupjek, Oct 27, 2012.

  1. gupjek


    Oct 3, 2012
    Any idea how to get to a bass sound like here:

    Perhaps a guitar pedal? A metal fuzz maybe?

    You can hear a similiar bass sound in quite a lot of the current hardcore punk bands, so I guess it's an "off the rack"-thing.

    Another example would be Shaved Women:

    And what would be a good way to fatten up a bass-weak guitar pedal so it'll work well with bass?
    Plug in a equalizer before/after the pedal?
    Or maybe use a Boss LS-2 to get a mix of the dry bass signal + guitar pedal distortion/od/fuzz?
  2. spaz21387


    Feb 25, 2008
    Portland oregon
    sounds like a rat to me!
  3. sunbeast

    sunbeast Supporting Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Los Angeles, CA
    +1. Rat plus some bass boost after (at the amp or using an EQ pedal).
  4. gricko


    Mar 29, 2004
    david wm. sims used to get that thing w/ an old rat and either 800rb or svt.
    i get to that place with aggressive fingers, fresh roundwounds and svt. if svt is not available sansamp does the job.
  5. Bassmike62

    Bassmike62 Supporting Member

    The Digitech Bass Driver has a Rattish setting that can probably be tweaked (tone and blend knobs) to get close to what OP is looking for.


    Oct 26, 2011
    hi gupjek,
    I've been using a RAT for years.
    Lately I've experienced with a TEAM AWESOME FUZZ MACHINE (smallsound/bigsound) and it's very very nice, I love it!.

    And for give them more bass I bought an [sfx]BIG BEAUTIFUL BASS, that has as well a volume knob that kicks your bass up and everybody's hearing you in the mix. And I put before the dirt pedal (TAFM-->B3-->MICRO THUMPINATOR).

    With these 2 pedals I've experienced a very violent and basstard sound, that played alone you could think that's and extreme sound, but when played with the band a very big smile appears in your face.

    and as well the RAT or TURBO RAT does it right, it's a classic.

    Hope that could help you.
  7. gupjek


    Oct 3, 2012
    Ok, I have to admnit that I've always kind of ignored the Rat, because
    I couldn't find much usefull demos and I can't test it in a local store.
    So Rat, Rat2 and Turbo Rat are all recommendable? What about the Rat Juggernaut?

    @Gricko: You mean I could get this kind of sound out of a VT Bass?
    Any setting-suggestions? I've tested the VT Bass once and what I
    remember is that most of the time it sounded a bit "well-behaved"
    in a way or lacked the dirt.

    For the TAFM - I'd have to import that pedal. Makes it a bit complicated.
    But I'll keep looking for a used one.

    It seems that I could get a 2nd hand Digitech Bass Driver for little money
    (well, a brand new one is pretty affordable as well), so I'll give it a try.
    But I don't quite get it. Does the Morph-nob set the level of the od/distortion
    or is it more like a character-control? I guess blend is for the mix of
    dry-/effect-signal, right?
  8. cioppo


    Jun 15, 2010
    Prato, Italy
    For the money I would recommend the Ibanez Phat-hed pd7 overdrive or the Marshall Bluesbreaker. Nice grinding tone for the money. I heard that also a Boss MD-2 can do the work, but I have no experience with that. Personally I prefer the Rat or the Eleven Electrix Xstortion.
  9. Bassmike62

    Bassmike62 Supporting Member

    Yes to the blend question. The Morph knobs adjusts dirt level: from light OD (min setting) to distortion (noonish) to full-on fuzz (maxed). The Morph, in addition to the blend and tone knobs make for a very flexible pedal.

    There are few settings recommendation in the manual: it does a decent RAT and a very good ODB-3 (IMO). The fuzz is also OK, but its not an effect I use a lot (Disclaimer: I don't use a lot of dirt). I got this pedal because I sorta liked the idea of one pedal offering different tonal possibilities while doing an honest job at it for a decent price.

    EDIT: of course, nothing beats an original :)
  10. That definitely sounds like a Rat. Especially that second clip.

    More Rat goodness to check out.
  11. jewbageled


    Jun 29, 2011
    That's a Rat. Specifically a big-box vintage Rat. You could pick one up for under a $100 right now:

    Trust me, grab a Rat and you'll be happy. Young Widows, Circa Survive, Jesus Lizard, and Breather Resist all used this same rat. (Jesus Lizard had a smaller box version, but same circuit). I play in a hardcore/punk band. All you need is a Vintage Big box Rat, and then crank your amp to 11.

    Here's another delicious example:
  12. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Love the Rat on bass but it needed some low end. I don't use the heavy distortion in my stuff anymore but when I used it, the Rat was steps above IMHO, except for the lack of lows. I used a blend of clean to get it back but that's too inconvenient for me these days. I might check out Fuzzrocious pedals if I were in the market for another one.
  13. I got a great aggressive sound with a standard Rat 2 by putting a Boss Bass Equalizer after it to bump the bass a bit and mixing in my clean signal with an Xotic X-blender.
  14. gupjek


    Oct 3, 2012
    Alright, our local store doesn't have any Rats. It seems to be not that easy
    to get a Vintage Rat in Germany. But at Thomann I can get the Rat2 and the
    Turbo Rat (and the Solo and DeuceTone, but they're a bit pricey) - which one to pick?

    And are you really sure the bass player of Scapegoat (the first example) is using a Rat?
    Well, or that I could get a similiar sound with a Rat. If you compare it directly to the
    mentioned songs of Young Widows, Lizard, Shaved Women, etc the Scapegoat-bass sound seems
    just a bit more "brutal". Especially the Young Widows-bass seems to have a bit of a modern
    touch (but anyway: great record, thanks for the tip!). Reminds me just a little of the sound
    of newer distortion pedals (specifically designed for bass guitars).

    The Scapegoat-bass has imo a slightly different character. More of an over-the-top overdrive
    than distortion. Does that make any sense? Darnit. I really lack the vocabulary to explain that.
    Ok, maybe I can put it like that: The Scapegoat bass sounds to me more like a much much more
    harsh version (plus more lows) than CREEM's bass:

    Maybe more "tubey"(?).

    Or is the answer to that sound still the Rat?
  15. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Rat 2.
  16. Anything Rat-related.

    You could order a Rat Tail or grab one from the for sale section. I've recently joined a crust/grind band and powerviolence takes up most of my life. You could use a muff, but for all of the bands mentioned in this thread, a Rat-based pedal would be perfect.
  17. Sounds like this kid just wants a VT bass
  18. Toptube

    Toptube Supporting Member

    Feb 9, 2009
  19. I change my answer from the plain Rat Tail to a Rat Tail with feedback switch.
  20. PunkRocker33133

    PunkRocker33133 Supporting Member

    Feb 11, 2008
    Northern VA
    I use a Supercollider or a turbo rat in my powerviolence band. The other half of the equation is a lot of cabs and a lot of volume, so don't forget that part.