I have really enjoyed this podcast, and I love what Oliver is doing: However, he talks a lot about experimenting and then names the most conservative sources (except Garcia- Fons who is a true innovator!)! I mean, he is from a country where Barre Phillips & Joëlle Léandre live!!!! Like, there is a whole area of music that since the 1950s is JUST about experimenting. It is a huge loss that more musicians interested in tonal music don't consult this area for things they could use - a huge difference from music you would like. For just one example, if you want to figure out percussive ideas with the bow, French in particular, Barry Guy has been researching just that for 40 years: ANY of these techniques could be used in in tonal context or in time. We (experimental musicians) tend to leave things where they lay, as they tend to force new ways of interacting when presented to our fellow musicians in the moment. Still, the work can be used for anything you want to do. The basics are that we are trying to see what the instrument can do and then see how that can change how we connect with other musicians. However, any of these ideas can be used anyway you want. In Olvier's case it is like this area of music is so "taboo" he has spent years reinventing the wheel instead of consulting direct sources and getting on with it in a few weeks. Nobody has to like experimental music, that is not the point, but people should know it can serve as a massive body of research about sound and interaction. In Oliver's case specifically, he is devoting a huge part of his own work to an area that has been thoroughly researched since the 1950s, starting with Turetzky. It isn't a criticism of him, but of the whole attitude that ultimately holds back the music. I've always maintained that any great free jazz bassist can tell you all about the great straight jazz bassists but it is very, very rare to see it the other way around. So, the way you use the music, is when you are thinking about a musical or technical issue, ask and search around about the work done in that area. It may not be the sound you are after, but that just means you have your own work to do, but you can start further ahead. We've all played bass methods that are less than our ideal sound, you can spare a couple of hours on recordings you may not like but that may save you years of reinventing the wheel!