Hum issue with my Ampeg SVT-CL

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Bassology, Dec 29, 2014.

  1. Bassology

    Bassology

    Feb 2, 2006
    Hi guys, I am having some issue with my newly acquired Ampeg SVT-CL (Vietnam make), and I am hoping someone may be able to help me out. Long story short, I bought the amp used from a local store 2 days ago, tested it out last night in my apartment and noticed that there’s a mellow humming sound coming out of the speakers when the amp’s taken out of the stand-by. I didn’t notice it at the store because I was surrounded by kids shredding their metal licks. This hum is not affected by master nor gain knobs, it’s faint but steady, almost reminds me of rumbling noise of a fridge. By the way, I did test several different outlets in my apartment, all with the same results. This most likely is not going to be a big deal in live situation as once the volume knobs are over 2, the hum is basically drown out, but none or less, it really bugs me, and potentially may be an issue if used in recording. I was wondering if this is normal of a SVT?

    I have had numerous amps most recently an Aguilar DB750, also a few tube ones as well, such as Orange OR120, and Traynor YBA-1a and none of them produced hum like this. From what I can gather from searches of same topic that this could be a preamp tube issue picking up 60 cycle hum? The store has 90 days return/repair policy, but they do not cover tubes if they were the cause. I am deciding on if I should gamble and spend the money on replacing all the preamp tubes, but what if it’s the cap or filter,…etc. Not sure if it’s all worth it, maybe I should just return it as this potentially could be a lemon. What do you guys think? Also, I have never played an SVT in a quite place before (ie, my apartment), so maybe the hum is normal. i am torn. :help:

    Thx in advance for all the comments and help. :)
     
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  2. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    I'm not sure if this works with a VR since I don't own one, but as the owner of a 69 SVT, I can tell you that if you're not using channel 2 and channel 2's controls aren't turned all the way down, it will cause a little hum that sounds like what you're talking about. If that's not it, you can try pulling each tube and reseating it, and clean each tube socket with Deoxit if you have any. That once fixed a mild hum in my B-15.
     
  3. Bassology

    Bassology

    Feb 2, 2006
    Here's a video of the issue that I am talking about. I apologize for the volume quality, it was recorded with my phone. You will likely need to use a set of headphones with the volume crank, but you can definitely hear the rumbling hum once the amp's taken out of the stand-by.

     
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  4. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    You said VR at first but you fixed it ;)

    Yeah, I think it should be quieter than that, although the background noises were pretty loud in that recording, too, and that could cause an exaggeration. Doubt you'll have to replace all your tubes but it could be a tube problem. Try reseating them first and report back.
     
  5. Bassology

    Bassology

    Feb 2, 2006
    Okay, I just changed the driver tube, 12ax7 with an older Sovtek that I happen to have on hands and the hum was much louder. It was unbearable, I felt like I was going to throw up. Perhaps the driver tubes picking up 60 cycle hum? :vomit:
     
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  6. Bassology

    Bassology

    Feb 2, 2006
    The background noise tapered down at the end, and at the last second or two, I turned the stand-by back on, you can hear a singnificant difference with the hum on and off.
     
  7. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Hopefully someone else who knows more about it than I do will chime in, but you might want to take it back to the store and see if you can get it looked at.
     
  8. Bassology

    Bassology

    Feb 2, 2006
    Okay, I reset all the driver tubes, and the hum was still there. Worst of all, the bias lights went completely haywire.

    Bias 1, both red and green were on.
    Bias 2, none of them were on.

    Scared sh** out of my pants, I quickly grabbed a flathead screw driver and did some tweaking, and guess what, I was able to balance both sides to green and the hum is now gone. So, it turned out to a bias issue after all. :)
     
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  9. jastacey

    jastacey

    Feb 8, 2009
    Houston,Tx
    I'd look at this thread http://music-electronics-forum.com/t37237/ ..... at post #3 towards the end ..... most of those CL's have solder issues ... I had to reflow most of the solder joints in my CL .... one of the finer benefits of production soldering!!!!
    Did you check the return jack on the effects sends? ( plugging your bass in that jack, to see if the hum get smaller ,stays the same or increases? )

    Also look at this thread http://music-electronics-forum.com/t21272/ ..... post #7

    I'm thinking it is a ground issue ...but you never know
     
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  10. Bassology

    Bassology

    Feb 2, 2006
    Turned out it was a bias issue, even though initially both lights were green it wasn't balanced somehow and were casuing the hum. Thanks for the links by the way, additional resources are always helpful for future reference.

    Just thinking of all the potential issues that can happen to these SVTs sends chills down my spin. :dead:
     
  11. jastacey

    jastacey

    Feb 8, 2009
    Houston,Tx
    It may be money well spent if you plan on keeping the amp, the issues are all little ... but when combined they seem huge .... the key is finding someone who knows these amps, the solder issues are well known and the money spent in getting any used amp looked over and set-up is well spent ... the CL when it is running right, is a pretty good sounding tube amp
     
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  12. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    LOL! Eh, you fixed it with a screwdriver. Don't worry so much.
     
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  13. naiya

    naiya

    Jul 21, 2012
    Oregon
    And -- here we are years later in 2020: bought an Ampeg SVT-CL Classic (after stupidly selling my SVT-2 Pro). Same issue: hum, hum, hum, same frequency as in your video. Lo and behold, it was the bias adjustment. How could I forget? My SVT-2 Pro used to hum that way when she was unhappy. :-.) So glad I found this thread in a search. All it took was a flathead screwdriver and a little twist. Previous owner of the amp had the right bias adjustment turned all the way to one side, so I evened them out. Thanks fellaz!
     
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