Does anyone else feel like an idiot when they use these terms. I know I do, however, I have one of each from TB! Well, I refuse to use these terms any longer. Time to make a stand and rebel against these tyrants that make up these terms. I refuse to accept that these should be cool or hip terms. They sound like a teenage girl speaking. Stand up and say no to the evil that is clothing that ends in "ie"! I suggest we here at TB come up new terms! Show your creativity!