So I just put on some DR Lowriders on my bass( found out mine is a 95 MIM Jazz with original strings) not for any reason other then 7 year old strings probably don't sound as good as they could. Anyhow, after putting on the E i realized My tuner was at the warehouse where we practice and the difference from the old strings to the new ones was so radical that i couldn't really use the tuned ones to get the new ones to tune. So not wanting to wait till Sunday practice to string the Bass I just went by the tension and my ear to put on the rest of the strings. Once they were all on I figured what the heck let me see how close I can get to tuning it just by ear. So i started with the G string and played and old Violent Femms song called Blister in the Sun, basically just B and C back and forth with an open G in the middle until I felt I was pretty close then just worked My way backwards on the Major C scale ( I think thats what it's called I just started getting a handle on terms) and then tuned My E string the same way Using the G scale. Well although it didn't sound just right I figured I really don't have enough experience to even do this right and since I have only been seriously Playing for less then a Year( I have owned the Bass for 3 years but just started taking it seriously) I wasn't expecting to get any results at all from My method. Add to that the Bright as heck sound of the DRs compared to my Old strings and the fact that i didn't want to over tighten them i stopped when i thought it was pretty close and I would just use the tuner when i got to practice the next day. Well I get there and plug in to this hand held tuner and start striking the strings and it seems that I had managed to tune to D G C F. It didn't strike me at first what this meant, and maybe it means nothing, but when I got to the A string and it was tuned to G I realized what I had done. This may seem trivial to most of you here, but one of the things that has kept me from really getting into playing was the sneaking suspicion that i was tone deaf because I find it difficult to pick out a note played by another player and know what it is, i.e.; Guitar plays an A, without seeing where he is playing, I can't say what note it is and might have to hit several notes to figure it out. Well when I realized I had tuned one note down from EADG to AGCF I mentioned it to the Guitar player he said "hey great" and I said yeah but it's wrong! He said "yeah but it's COMPLEATLY wrong, very few people have the ear to perfectly tune with no reference but being able to tune within a given scale is a very good sign that i am developing and Ear". So this is my story , I am feeling very good about my playing right now, even though I still stink at least I can fix that with practice. Didn't even bother me that I didn't get to practice with them due to a "Real" Bass player showing up and having to use my Bass to play on cause his had a bad plug. He is really good and a pleasure to watch, although when he starts playing with 9 fingers in the middle of the neck it makes me wince. Annnnd another thing. Please feel free to move this wherever it belongs, my mind is in Walkabout Mode.