# I know where a 5th is but what about...........?

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by thirdeye, Oct 12, 2002.

1. ### thirdeye

a 2nd,3rd,4th,6th,7th,8th and so on????????

Is the root note just the name for a "1st"?

].....|.....|.....|
].....|.....|.....|
].....|.....|5th|
].f...|.....|.....|

The brackets on the left are the nut,if the F is the root note,where do the rest go?

Thanks for any help.

2. ### TurockSupporting Member

Apr 30, 2000
Melnibone
Yes, root is 1st. Here's the rest.

9].....|.10.|.11..|
6].....|..7..|..8..|
3].4..|.....|5th|
.].f..|.....|..2..|

3. ### SuperDuck

Sep 26, 2000
Wisconsin
The "1st" can the called the root or the tonic. Basically, when talking about 1st, 2nd, etc., you're just referring to where the note lies in the major scale. If you were to play the 1st, 2nd, etc. as listed, up to the 8th (also called an octave), you would have a major scale.

So if the F major scale is F G A Bb C D E F G, the third note in the pattern, the A, is F's third. The fourth note, Bb, is the fourth, and so on. These are known as intervals.

And even though you didn't ask-

1st= Tonic, root
2nd= Super tonic
3rd= Median
4th= Sub dominant
5th= Dominant
6th= Sub Median
8th= Octave

4. ### PacmanLayin' Down TimeStaff MemberGold Supporting Member

Apr 1, 2000
Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
Pretty close, Duck boy, but I'm feeling picky tonight

5. ### jayboGuest

Sep 5, 2001
Richmond, KY
When a key signature contains a lowered 7th degree (such as with natural minor scales) the 7th is often called the "sub tonic" instead of the leading tone.

6. ### SuperDuck

Sep 26, 2000
Wisconsin
Doh! I'm going to have a word with my teacher. Although, he can't see so well, so he probably just missed my own error. Ah well, thanks for the correction.