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I LIKE how my bass sounds through the PA...anyone else?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by SteveC, Apr 17, 2006.

  1. SteveC

    SteveC Moderator Staff Member

    Nov 12, 2004
    North Dakota
    So, between services at church yesterday no one was around and I was doing some practicing. We have a pretty nice system. A Mackie board, Yamaha amps and cabs, rack eq, compressors, reverb, BBE Sonic Maximizer, etc.

    FOH is biamped. We have 18" subs, a couple 15" with dome tweeters and horn tweeters stacked on top. It's clean and sounds great. Plenty of head room. The monitors are 2-way Yamahas with a 15" driver and horn. Again, plenty of head room.

    I run into a Pod (supplied at church so I don't have to bring anything except my bass) and use the Tube Preamp setting, flat. Even with just the monitor system on, I was really pleased with the tone I was getting. It really sounds nice with everything going.

    I know we spend a lot of time complaining about FOH and the sound guy, but I really like the sound I get. I have a nice rig (Eden/Bergie) but I could easily live with the tone from even the monitor portion of the PA.

    Anyone else?
  2. Hyde


    Mar 30, 2006
    I bet if my church had a system like that I would like my tone through it. . .I don't like it through our Beringher board, pair of decade-old MTX mains (they were nice when we got them, but not so much anymore) and no-name monitors.
  3. KJung

    KJung Supporting Member

    +1 if the PA is good and the sound man is decent. The Casino gigs I do on occasion are all direct through the PA, and it sounds awesome. Of course, it's a $50,000+PA, and everyone has separate monitor mixes..... how often does that happen? In my world as a 'tuxedo wearing freelancer', about 1 out of every 100 gigs:rollno:

    Sometimes, playing through a PA with only one monitor mix and low quality monitors can be worse than almost anything... and unfortunately, that's more common than my first example... I ALWAYS bring my rig unless I know exactly what I'm dealing with!
  4. Lowtonejoe

    Lowtonejoe Supporting Member

    Jul 3, 2004
    Pasco, WA
    I love how my bass sounds through the PA. If the PA is even halfway decent it sounds great.

    Of course the better the PA the better the sound.


  5. v-12


    Mar 3, 2005
    FL Panhandle
    i've never been able to play through a good one, and until that time comes i am undoubtedly anti-pa; although i'm sure my stance will change once i finally get the chance :smug:
  6. jokerjkny


    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PHL
    when i first heard my sadowsky thru a club's PA only, i was floored.

    made me gig w/ an avalon u5, stewart 1.2, acme b-4 setup for a loooooong while.
  7. bigbajo60


    Nov 7, 2003
    Laredo, Texas
    We carry a decent PA for those small/med gigs that require it, but for the big/high $$ dates, we hire a pro sound guy that puts up state of the art EVERYTHING!:D

    My sound on that rig, both FOH and monitors, is supah-supreme!:bassist:

    Anyone finding themselves in deep So. TX who needs to arrange for a top-notch PA, let me know and I'll put you in touch!;)
  8. emjazz

    emjazz Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    SteveC, get yourself a Berg IP and you can have that PA sound anywhere you go, actually, better than most PA's. It's like having your studio sound through a PA.
  9. In reality,the only peolple who actually hear your amp are........you and your bandmates. :bawl: Other than very small venues where only the vocals go through the PA,no one realy hears your amp.(maybe the drunk dancers or groupies at the front of the stage ,but they love you no matter how you sound)And in those small venues most of use some kind of combo amp or downsized version of our "big"rig. So that leaves us with the reality that we actualy play through the PA. Which leads us to the question of sending our direct signal to the board pre or post EQ.I have always argued for PRE EQ. If you EQ your tone for your amp that uses 4x10's or a 15 or whatever,....Why would you want that EQ sent to the FOH where the sound guy has to UN-EQ it to make it sound right through Subs,Mids ,Horns &tweets? It is absolutly the sound man's job to know your sound and recreate it at FOH.But,he ,nor the audience is listening to YOUR amp.They're listening to the PA.I'm playing a Godin A4 acoustic right now and I'm useing a small PA rig as my onstage amp.A Mackie box mixer with 15 band EQ.& compressor.A pair of Yamaha Full range trapazoid cabs ,Each with a single 15 & a horn .Stacked verticaly for the coupling.Also has the side benfit of putting a horn at ear level ,thereby helping me control my stage volume.If evryone hears it through the PA,Why aren't we all useing a "PA" to begin with? When you realize that hardly anyone actually hears what you hear onstage ,it kind of makes you wonder why we spend what we do on our rigs ,doesn't it? Just a thought.:meh:
  10. emjazz

    emjazz Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Like I said, Berg IP...:D
  11. SteveC

    SteveC Moderator Staff Member

    Nov 12, 2004
    North Dakota
    I have debated this with myself and others for a while. I really like the sound of my Eden/Bergie, but you are right. The sound people hear most is PA. Why not have a PA cab(s) and a PA type rack - DI, EQ, Comp, power amp - and call it good. If you use wedges, you can put them vertical for stand alone gigs and use them as monitors for PA supported gigs.

    Makes sense to me, but I haven't been able to make myself do it. I like my litle rig.
  12. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Gold Supporting Member

    Good PA and talented sound man? Hell yeah!

    Wish I had that every gig. I'd love to carry a smaller rig around.
  13. emjazz

    emjazz Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    I just heard an amazing bass player by the name of Fernando Huergo the other night play with a Berg HT112 and a GK800RB head. The sound was huge.
  14. joelb79


    Mar 22, 2006
    Lansing, Michigan
    my band uses Yamaha Dual 15 2 ways powered by a QSC PLX3400, and some off brand dual 18" cabs powered by a bridged QSC PLX3004. Front of house wise, i run my bass through a Behringer V-amp DI, and i set it to simulate an SVT. This usualy sounds AWESOME.

    Monitor wise, we have crap that wouldnt run bass without killing the headroom and having some complaining guitarists. So i use my bass rig for a monitor.

    and yes, front of house wise, i love the sound im getting. Definatly enough lows, and having my bass mixed with a kick drum and v-drums sampler sounds great.
  15. spectorbass83


    Jun 6, 2005
    It's good to hear the soundguy is doing his/her job :) It also sounds like the church has a very decent set up! In the city I live in we are lucky if we have a soundguy taking care of the FOH :scowl: I never have PA monitors and always use my rig as a stage monitor, so I never get to hear what my tone sounds like up front through the PA.

    If the gigs around here had a great FOH set up with a soundguy who actually cares, I would have no problem bringing just my bass to a show and leaving all my other stuff at home :D
  16. ArwinH

    ArwinH run rabbit run

    Dec 1, 2005
    Southern California
    Is he still using King headless basses?

    Anyway, I love the sound of my rob allen direct into the board, I've done this at our schools amphitheatre and it sounded amazing for the ajzz stuff we were playing.

    Through the same system the yamaha I played for funk sounded horrible.

    My warwick soudned great from the monitors at the whiskey when I did that for rock.

    It's completely variable. But sometimes it sounds amazing...toher times, I'm glad I havea nice rig.
  17. Joe P

    Joe P

    Jul 15, 2004
    Milwaukee, WI
    I like how basses sound through PAs too - That's why I use a PA cab with my GK700RBII head; a JBL JRX125 - 2X15s and a 1"-throat horn. It only cost me $400, and I love the sound.

  18. Blues Cat

    Blues Cat Payson Fanned Bass Strings Owner Supporting Member Commercial User

    May 28, 2005
    Katy, Tx
    Payson Fanned Bass Strings Owner
    A big + 1 on the PA sound. One of the best sounds I've had so far is direct into a Whirlwind DI to FOH monitored through an Aviom @ large houses of worship. Love the the Aviom. Keeps band & FOH tension low.

    The church has a JBL array system w/the subs flown which dosen't make sense but sounds awsome.

    I commented to one of the conductors how good my bass sounds direct w/no pre's. My bass was in active mode w/200hz boosted. He commented on how he's had experiences w/cats needing pre's, compressors & rack gear deluxe. He gave the look of that's why you're getting asked back;) .

    I still come to the amp section first @ TB to look for info on tube amps for which I'm gasing.
  19. If my church had a house that consisted of more than just two 15" mains and a pair of 12" monitors, Id be fine with running through the system, because with the onboard eq, I can get my sound just how I want it. I rarely touch the eq on my amp.
  20. emjazz

    emjazz Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Yup. What a great little bass. Fernando continually sounds like a latin Anthony Jackson to me in many ways. What a player.

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