I'd like some honest opinions on two options.

#2. Much cooler than the GT-10B. Even though the GT-10B is nice, why have a pedalboard with a huge multi-effects unit... :\

 

If you're thinking about the GT10b to cover your filter needs, then I would think the ModFactor's filters might be sufficient? They'd have to be at least as good as the GT's I'd think.

In that case you could save yourself a few hundred bucks and and just get the Superdelay+Modfactor+exp pedal and be done with it.

 

Number 1.


How much money do you really want to drop into this? ಠ_ಠ???

 

3. get some affordable mod and filter effects first to see which ones you actually like/want/need. you can always sell off and swap up from there. don't start with a digital multi. start with some classics

 

THIS

ಠ_ಠ

 

you got everything you need right here in the tb classifieds.

what mod effects are you interested in, anyway?

 

OK. Here is my Two Cents.

I'd go with number 2 (if you look at my pedals you can probably tell why )

A few things, I love the SuperDelay, but there are mixed opinions. I find it to be everything I want in a delay pedal. But that's just me.

I like the ModFactor more and more everyday, BUT do not, I repeat, do not rely on it for Wah or envelope stuff. That is the only thing I don't like about it. I can't get it deep enough for any bass wah stuff. The Low Pass is passable, but it still isn't quite right for me.

I don't have a MeatWad, but I'm waiting on my custom filter from Mario. I've heard nothing but good things about the Meatwad if you want a Meatball clone. My filter is based on the Low Pass of an MS-20 filter, so I can't really comment on the filter choices.

 

i just think that since mod effects are new to you, you should try some basic ones and get acquainted. I'm talking about under 100 dollar, resellable pedals - not $200 clean boosts that sit in the classifieds forever

 

Being the owner of a ModFactor and Grinder (on the same level as, or maybe a step further than the Meat Wad, which is debatable), I'd have to say that you should get the multi unless there is something extra specific that you want to attain via steup #2. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with the ModFactor or Grinder that I own, quite the contrary in fact. But do you really want to spend that much cash on your pedalboard? I did it (and much much more!), and looking at it now I probably shouldn't have spent a fraction that I have on my current board.

 

Oh Mutt...shhh...you know you like having all those sweet little boxes of fun. Heh, I know what you mean though.

The one thing to consider about the Grinder VS Meatwad, never tried either but the Meatwad is a lot smaller.

 

yep.

But then again, that's why I don't have my Pitchfactor yet. I keep buying small, semi-inexpensive pedals...

 

Here's a question. Why do you need the Superdelay? What does it do that you have to have rather than buying a cheaper delay?

And that's not a rhetorical question, I'm legitimately asking.

If someone said, "I have several songs where I use delay with my band and I need the presets" or "we jam a lot and I need the autoset mode" or even "I'm a tone purist/freak and won't settle for less" then I could understand.

I think Proton misunderstood my earlier comments about the Empress. I think it's an amazing delay. The question is, do you really NEED all of its features? If you do, go for it. But I was really disappointed to find that all of the features that I actually needed were covered by the Echo Park and my bandmates didn't notice the difference at all. Of course I missed a number of the bells and whistles, but none of them were "musts" for me. Obviously not the case for everyone, but it made me reconsider what I need vs what I want.

The Modfactor makes a lot of sense because it is actually replacing a number of pedals. But the Empress just does delay. If you can get what you need in a cheaper package I think you should.

 

Do like BBP, and "Reduce, reduce!"

 

I'd love to own an Empress, but if I was going with a multi, I'd steer towards the Line 6 M13, it sounds pretty class and has an excellent loop section stolen from the DL4.

 

I might be wrong, but I think the GT10B and M13 have fx loops so you can squeeze in your own fx in the chain also, so you could use a real fuzz with a filter from the multi for example, and have the fuzz switched in and out with the presets. Worth thinking about if you weren't aware of this!

 

Yeah, I have to admit that it is a lot of fun to have all these pedals on the board. Even if for no other reason than to make guitarists gasp at the amount of cool effects that I have, or make non-musicians gasp at the number of knobs and lights.

Differences between the Grinder and Meat Wad aren't many. Aside from the price (Grinder: $400, Meat Wad: $319) and size (the Grinder is much larger than the Meat Wad) there isn't much difference between them. The Grinder comes with a few added tweaks, gain control, depth control (not sure if this is the same or works the same as the intensity control on the Meat Wad)expression control for the blend, expression control for the depth, and expression control for the decay (I don't know what the expression jack on the Meat Wad controls), 12 frequency settings versus the Meat Wad's six, and it accepts up to 16vdc for added headroom. The only reason that I went with a Grinder over the Meat Wad was because it had a shorter wait time than the Meat Wad did at the time that I ordered (mine was already built when I ordered it).

It is only after the fact that I have learned that Mario (Robot Factory Effects) has made a mod for people who want to use the effect in the loop when the unit is switched off. Although I have been thinking about sending an email to Geoff (Barge Concepts) to see if the same could be done to my unit.