ID These Jazz Pickups?

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by M.R. Ogle, Jan 8, 2009.

  1. M.R. Ogle

    M.R. Ogle Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 5, 2004
    Mount Vernon, Illinois
    Backstage Guitar Lab owner
    I need some help.

    I've been a die-hard Precision guy for years, but I just got this Mexi Jazz bass last month, so I thought I'd give it a try. But after one solid session, I really was struggling with getting the sound I like out of it... it just sounded "weaker" and like the pickups were missing something...

    So, anyway...I went through my parts boxes, and found three sets of Jazz Bass pickups I could try out...I have NO IDEA what they are from, but I do think they are probably all from a Fender or a Squier product.

    Anyway, here's the first set: Staggered poles on both pickups, two different lengths, black and white plastic-covered wire, 5.13 and 5.33 ohms.
    StaggeredPole.gif


    The next set, an odd pair of four-large pole piece pickups, two different lengths, 5.12 and 5.34 ohms, gray single-conductor wire/shield.
    FourPole.gif

    Last set, an odd match that came out of this bass, they both look identical from the top, flat poles, same length, but turn them over and they look like two entirely different constructed pickups, one with the two-bar magnets, one with a reddish colored base and the poles themselves are the magnets. 6.37 and 6.64 ohms.
    MisMatchedPair.gif

    Anyway, if there's any Fender Jazz enthusiasts that can recommend one of these sets over the others, or at least help me ID what I have here, I'd really appreciate it!
     
  2. GlennW

    GlennW Inactive

    Sep 6, 2006
    I'd suggest you sell all of them and get a decent set. All of those will sound thin and be uninspiring. I'd look for something in the 7-8K range (the closer to 8K the better) with alnico rods for a good traditional sound. There are also plenty of very good pickups made with other magnets, but not the ones you have.
     
  3. Metropolis_488

    Metropolis_488 Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2006
    Connecticut
    I am willing to bet that the set with the red bobbins are Aero pickups - not cheap.

    The large poles may be from the older Fender Deluxe Jazz basses from the mid-90's
     
  4. M.R. Ogle

    M.R. Ogle Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 5, 2004
    Mount Vernon, Illinois
    Backstage Guitar Lab owner
    Glenn... LOL... Yeah, that's the other option, that's for sure! I was already leaning toward some DiMarzios.. but these were already in-house.

    BTW, for my better understanding...is 8K a "target" for Jazz Bass tonality, or a minimum acceptable reading for the desired fullness, (especially for a "P" bass guy).. i've seen a lot of 11 to 13K pickups out there, would these be generalized as "fuller' but farther away from "vintage" Jazz Bass sonic territory? I don't know... that's why I'm asking!

    Thank you for your knowledge on this, it's never been exactly clear to me what the readings indicate, but then again, I've not had a Jazz bass before where there is apparently quite a sensitive, distinct "window" these J type pickups excel. I'm already weirded out by having to run one or the other pickup at 85% volume to get the strongest signal out.... as I understand, that's a typical Jazz thing, too?
     
  5. GlennW

    GlennW Inactive

    Sep 6, 2006
    It's really hard to generalize about the DCR specs, but from what little I almost know about JB pickups I'd consider 7.3-8K a safe target range. I think Fender Custom Shop pickups are at the lower end of that. There are pickups lower and higher, but the good sounding ones are the exception rather than the norm. Those and the 8K Marcus Miller versions are my Favorite Fender JB pickups. I've also seen Marcus Miller pickups close to 7.1K...Fender is notoriously inconsistant regarding just about all of their pickups. I would avoid MIJ and MIM Fender pickups; they just don't sound very good. The USA Originals aka Geddy Lees aren't bad either.

    I'm unfamiliar with most of the good non-Fender brands, so I can't comment on them. Used pickups on ebay would be a good place to try different things.

    Since you're into P-basses, you might also consider a series/parallel switch to make you feel more at home.

    I can't comment on the volume snafus either. I see people asking about it all the time, but I usually don't use pots in basses, just pickup and cap selector switches.
     
  6. Stan Hinesley

    Stan Hinesley Guest

    Aug 28, 2005
    South Florida, USA
    First set is probably from a Mexican Fender Jazz.
     
  7. joelb79

    joelb79

    Mar 22, 2006
    Lansing, Michigan
    You could also buy Stan's handcrafted pickups. They sound wonderful as well! Hi Stan!
     
  8. Stan Hinesley

    Stan Hinesley Guest

    Aug 28, 2005
    South Florida, USA
    What's up Joel...how's stuff? :D

    Oh, thanks for the kind words! :hyper:
     
  9. M.R. Ogle

    M.R. Ogle Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 5, 2004
    Mount Vernon, Illinois
    Backstage Guitar Lab owner
    Good info... And I will check out Stan's pickups, too!
     
  10. Craig_S

    Craig_S Inactive

    Oct 15, 2008
    Metro Detroit
    Are the set with the large pole pieces single or dual coil? They look a lot like Suhr designed Fender humbucking, but the leads are not the same and the pole pieced are protruding, slightly. I have a set of the Fender pups out of a Deluxe Jazz. The leads on them are black and white(mid), and black and yellow(bridge). The pole pieces are flush with the covers.
     
  11. M.R. Ogle

    M.R. Ogle Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 5, 2004
    Mount Vernon, Illinois
    Backstage Guitar Lab owner
    Craig...I can't tell, they're solid-sealed at the bottom, like somebody poured liquid black plastic in them and sealed them up permanently.
     
  12. Craig_S

    Craig_S Inactive

    Oct 15, 2008
    Metro Detroit
    I'd try those in the bass, before the other sets. In my experience, I've never seen cheap pickups that are sealed like that. It's an extra step in the manufacturing process that suggests a higher quality pickup.
     
  13. Stan Hinesley

    Stan Hinesley Guest

    Aug 28, 2005
    South Florida, USA
    Epoxy, EMG does that too...so you can't see the preamp circuitry ;)
     
  14. GlennW

    GlennW Inactive

    Sep 6, 2006
    Foxy 'Poxy
     
  15. Philbiker

    Philbiker Pat's the best!

    Dec 28, 2000
    Northern Virginia, USA
    +1. Many high-end pickups are sealed like this (and many are not conversely) and few cheap pickups have this feature. The cheapest pickups I've ever seen that are sealed like this are the originals from my Peavey Millenium USA, and they are pretty darn good pickups on that bass (as with most USA Peaveys).
     
  16. This is not always the case, but typically ceramic magnets are used in budget guitars (and basses?) because they are inexpensive.
    I have seen ceramic P-bass pups, but i dont believe i have ever seen ceramic Jazz pickups before.

    As GlennW suggested, i would sell them all and buy a set of "good" pickups.
     
  17. M.R. Ogle

    M.R. Ogle Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 5, 2004
    Mount Vernon, Illinois
    Backstage Guitar Lab owner
    I'm taking all this advice.. the four-pole pickups are going in for next week's jam session, and if those don't add some beef to the sonic sammich, the credit card comes out for some quality pickups. Maybe I'll do it anyway, and everything else goes back into the spare parts boxes.
     
  18. GlennW

    GlennW Inactive

    Sep 6, 2006
    I've seen someone else ask about those 4-pole pickups recently and I think they might be a shortlived Fender run, but have no idea what...don't remember. They might bring a few bucks if you sell them. I'd find out what they are before listing them.

    Edit: They might be Suhr pcikups from about 1997
    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=478350&highlight=poles
     
  19. M.R. Ogle

    M.R. Ogle Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 5, 2004
    Mount Vernon, Illinois
    Backstage Guitar Lab owner
    Yes, I believe that's them. THANKS!
     
  20. Craig_S

    Craig_S Inactive

    Oct 15, 2008
    Metro Detroit
    They aren't the Suhr designed Fender pickups. There are differences.

    Read my last post:
    Also, the Fender/Suhr's aren't sealed with epoxy.