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IDEA: The Bass Lottery

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by ggvicviper, Jan 16, 2013.

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  1. ggvicviper

    ggvicviper Fender, EBMM, Rickenbacker, BSX. I'm Marc! Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2011
    East Meadow, NY, USA
    So I had an idea just now.

    What if we contributed a drawing ever so often just for us bass players?

    Say, we have a featured bass to give away every month or three months or something.
    People who want to participate pay a dollar through PayPal or the like, and provide [DEL]their TB username[/DEL] an email address.
    At the end of the period, the winner is announced, and contacted for shipping info.
    The money collected goes to pay off the bass, and whatever is left is split between [DEL]funding Talkbass[/DEL] paying the site and charity donations.

    What do you think?
  2. thisSNsucks

    thisSNsucks Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Yonkers, NY
    I like it.
  3. echoSE7EN


    Jul 1, 2010
    Balto., MD
    You need to be very careful with PayPal in such arrangements, as they can consider it to be a gambling activity and confiscate all funds. A couple of years ago some of the guys over at The Gear Page had a slightly similar thing. I don't remember the guy's name, but he is the owner/maker of SkinPimp pedals. Anyway, his mother was ill and someone caught wind that he was closing operations to take care of her, and possibly take her to Alaska (a dream of the family).

    Some of TGP guys decided to pool together a couple of rare-ish pedals and "sell" raffle/chances via PayPal. You'd toss in x-amount of money and have a chance to "win" one of the pedals. They drew usernames out of a hat in a YouTube video, and those folks were sent the pedals.

    ALL of the money was then sent (PayPal) to the SkinPimp guy, or it was supposed to be, I don't know.... It wound up being a couple thousand dollars (maybe even more) if I recall. Anyway, PayPal stepped in and confiscated the funds. I didn't follow up on the whole thing. I lost $50.00, but it was just poor of PayPal to do it (IMHO). I think they presented their case to PayPal, but again...I never followed up.

    Just saying...be careful with "lottery/raffle" type of things.
  4. baba

    baba Supporting Member

    Jan 22, 2002
    3rd stone from the sun
    The history of money collections on Talkbass hasn't gone very well to say the least. Interesting idea, but I don't think it will fly...at least within the confines of this board.

    EDIT: Checked the Rules and apparently Charity donation threads are the only thing prohibited. Again, this is due to a bad history, not due to a black heart in Paul's chest.
  5. ggvicviper

    ggvicviper Fender, EBMM, Rickenbacker, BSX. I'm Marc! Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2011
    East Meadow, NY, USA
    Interesting - that really sucks that PayPal decided they would confiscate the money (rather than return it) - very greedy and ridiculous.

    Maybe PayPal could be left out of it?
  6. Indiana Mike

    Indiana Mike

    Nov 18, 2005
    Sounds great


    After seeing some problems with this kind of thing in the past I don't ever see it happening as I believe it to be a banned practice . People are greedy or irresponsible and screw it up for those who aren't.
  7. logans59


    Jul 1, 2012
    Kennesaw, GA
    I would love that if we could figure out a easy way to do it
  8. MostlyBass


    Mar 3, 2002
    Oak Park, IL
    Interesting idea!
  9. echoSE7EN


    Jul 1, 2010
    Balto., MD

    Update: I did a quick search. The guy's name was Ryan Kirkland. He apparently is no longer affiliated with SkinPimp pedals, and sadly, his mother did pass away in 2010.
  10. ggvicviper

    ggvicviper Fender, EBMM, Rickenbacker, BSX. I'm Marc! Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2011
    East Meadow, NY, USA
    Raffles are forbidden in the PayPal usage agreement, so there would need to be another way.

    Remember, this is all just fun thinking.
  11. slobake

    slobake resident ... something Supporting Member

    I like it too. Don't know if we can do it though. Even beyond Paypal, is it legal?
  12. Bryan R. Tyler

    Bryan R. Tyler TalkBass: Usurping My Practice Time Since 2002 Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    May 3, 2002
    Yeah- not happening here. It would be an off-the-forum activity if it happened, and you're almost guaranteed that someone will end up getting screwed at some point. We couldn't even pass around a $200 Wishbass without someone stealing it along the way.
  13. ggvicviper

    ggvicviper Fender, EBMM, Rickenbacker, BSX. I'm Marc! Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2011
    East Meadow, NY, USA
    Shame. I dunno why people do these things. Off forum would be pretty cool. Maybe we could start something and have the forum link to it?

    The legality aspect of it also concerns me a bit - it is technically income, so how would it be taxed?

    EDIT: Updated the thread name and TB references.
  14. ffutterman

    ffutterman Talentless Bass Enthusiast

    May 7, 2010
    It sounds like a really cool idea, but I think there'd be legal issues. Since most states are strapped for cash, they've been focusing on one or two issues to crack down on in order to get more money (like a shake-down for parking tickets). Recently, one of those big issues has been gambling activities. I work for a non-profit, and it was recommended that we even stop doing raffles since the states see that as gambling, which means they want you to pay for gambling and licensing fees.
  15. ggvicviper

    ggvicviper Fender, EBMM, Rickenbacker, BSX. I'm Marc! Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2011
    East Meadow, NY, USA
    Well, I guess that's the end of that. Phooey.
  16. Didn't TB members organize some sort of "Lottery" over who would own the Mothman? I don't recall who won in that case.
  17. Back 5 years ago I suggested having a TB raffle with a nice bass for the prize, and funded by the purchase of tickets. It went nowhere, but I'm still big fan of the idea.
  18. A-Step-Towards

    A-Step-Towards Supporting Member

    Nov 16, 2009
    Los Angeles California
    You would need 1 person you could trust with the money, elected by Tb members.
  19. FunkMetalBass


    Aug 5, 2005
    Phoenix, Arizona 85029
    Endorsing Artist: J.C. Basses
    As I was quite interested of assisting with this (outside of TB, of course), I started looking into this further, and it appears as though it would be hard to pull off from a legal standpoint.

    Interesting, related discussion:

    There are online raffle sites (like http://www.rafflemate.com/), but the person in charge would have to set themselves up as a nonprofit organization, or already be one.

    In fact, it might be easier to find an NPO that currently exists and have them host the raffle.
  20. Now, I'm no longer thinking about raffles/lotteries. Consider this standpoint...

    TalkBass, to some extent, must have at least a little influence on the Bass world. We give praise when something is done right and offer constructive criticism when justified. So, why not an instrument manufacturer offer an instrument for random monthly draws among TalkBass users? It could be a different company each month.

    Warwick has already been doing these types of weekly and monthly draws via their Facebook page. Just saying some other companies could participate in a similar manner, but specifically directed toward TalkBass users. What do you folks think?

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