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If and When Covid-19 gets finally defeated, will Live Music experience a Renaissance?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Doublesixes, Oct 19, 2020.


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  1. How many TBers think that under the right circumstances live music will come back with some renewed enthusiasm once this current nightmare becomes a thing of the past?

    I, for one I'm ready to resume some low key gigging even at your typical hole-in-the-wall dining venue where I can play jazz standards with my buddies to a carefree, chatty audience.
     
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  2. micguy

    micguy

    May 17, 2011
    I think thrre might be a bump when things open up, but long term, I don’t envision things reversing course from the trends before the lockdown.

    That said, I’d love to be wrong.
     
  3. TomB

    TomB Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2007
    Vermont
    I’d expect a brief burst of enthusiasm at least, as we all celebrate a return to things we’ve missed. That includes some venue owners, those that survived. It will be interesting to see how it goes.
     
  4. lz4005

    lz4005

    Oct 22, 2013
    Nope. No different than before. But home recording and songwriting are already having one.
     
  5. Absolutely right. A bunch of us have decided to use the many recording tools available to polish our craft/art.
     
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  6. ClusterFlux

    ClusterFlux Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2018
    The end of the pandemic won't be like flipping a light switch. It will be a gradual process, with some areas opening faster than others. Indoor entertainment will probably be one of the last things to come back.

    I don't think it's clear how this will work out in the long term. The economy is going to be hurting for years; many venues will go out of business; many musicians will go broke; audiences for instrumental music were already getting older before the pandemic.

    There will be pent-up demand, but that will probably be mostly for established acts.

    I expect that eventually things will liven up, but it's going to take a long time.
     
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  7. VS

    VS

    Jun 6, 2002
    Mountain City, Tennessee
    Discounted Gear: Peavey
    I played two gigs this past weekend in Tennessee and North Carolina and people were chomping at the bit for live music. They did not want us to stop playing at either venue.
     
  8. arbiterusa

    arbiterusa Guest

    Sep 24, 2015
    If/When. Smart. It’s not a guarantee.

    That being said, I’ll say yes with a huge caveat; the venues have to come back first, and a lot of them won’t. From what I’m seeing around here, if the plague ended tomorrow about 60% of my former venues would be gone. And it ain’t ending tomorrow.

    But people do want to go out. Badly. And they want a soundtrack to that. Badly. So there will be live music. Again, with caveats. I think things are going to change hugely; gigs are going to get much quieter. That will have force of law to back it up; we here in San Diego were already seeing venues getting their music/dance permits pulled for excessive volume pre-COVID. I expect that will be the norm upon any sort of reopening.

    If. I keep that in mind. You all should as well.
     
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  9. moon-bass

    moon-bass Up to the moon and back Supporting Member

    May 10, 2004
    USA, New Orleans
    I expect a lot of this. Huge pent up demand!
     
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  10. VS

    VS

    Jun 6, 2002
    Mountain City, Tennessee
    Discounted Gear: Peavey
    That's exactly what it was and our singer made note of it. He said, "I bet this is one of the first live shows you've seen in a while and we're glad to take part in that with you!".
    They were floored to see live music again.
     
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  11. sawzalot

    sawzalot Supporting Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    There’s definitely a demand. But like many have said, the venues have been decimated. Nearly all my favorite venues with big stages and awesome PA systems have shut their doors. Hopefully the scene come back, and if not we’ll make something happen.
     
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  12. Killing Floor

    Killing Floor Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2020
    Austin, TX
    There will be a lot of really great venues lost forever. But live music will be back.
    I feel for all the artists on the brink who saw SXSW and other critical launching pads cancel.
     
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  13. LowFactor

    LowFactor

    Jul 6, 2018
    Nashville
    I think the audiences will be there. People want to get out and have some sense of normality again. But we’ll have to see what survives this. Bars and dining establishments that had music will probably once again have music. However the National Independent Venue Association is predicting that without immediate financial help 90% of music venues will close permanently. These are venues that for every one dollar they take in, they generate 12$ for the local economy. Not to mention all the jobs, vendors, others they support. 12 million people worked in music and live events venues. Many of which are looking to get out of the business and find more stable work. Sound,lighting,video, and staging companies that have had no income for months may not survive. It could be another year till venues can open and concerts can start again. Not many businesses can shutter for 18 months and have the capital to meet their bills and restart. Most promoters are saying they aren’t gonna put on shows till they can open at 100% capacity. They would lose money opening at anything less.
    So yes I think the audiences will be there. The bigger artists will survive but there may not be much infrastructure left once you get above the bar band scene. A 1.2 trillion dollar industry was brought to its knees and shut down over night. It’s gonna take a lot to get it going again.
     
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  14. BAG

    BAG

    May 5, 2014
    New Zealand
    Here in NZ coming out of lockdown almost felt like a switch was flicked and the country burst back into life. People were behaving as though the pandemic had ended. I kept saying that there was more to come and while we weren't locked down the second time that small outbreak created some restrictions for 5 weeks again. Now, it's back to (almost) normal again however I feel that there will be recurrences before it is all over.

    One thing I noticed was that many venues that used to do live music were now putting on open mic nights, obviously with an eye on saving some money. One of the best known live venues here in Christchurch which has live music 7 days a week has moved to booking bands directly rather than going through an agent in an effort to save some money. Unfortunately they are also paying less and many of the acts are really quite sub-standard which seems to be the case in many venues. At least the contracted sound engineers, one of which is my daughter, are paid decently.

    My current project is sounding really good and we did our first gig the other week. I started this project with no intention of gigging but the other's were really keen so I reluctantly agreed. The venue normally only put on solo's or duo's and the pay was $200 plus a $100 bar tab (the others barely drink so I got a few decent craft beers ;))..... for a four piece (we normally are a 5-6 piece). While I enjoyed it I've said I won't do it again for less than $400. Not because I want the money, I donate my cut to pay my daughter to do sound, but because I don't want to be a part of setting such a low paying standard for bands in town. Will my stance affect anything???? Probably not, but I'd rather just have everyone come to play in my studio than spend all the time and effort setting up PA etc etc for a gig that basically pays next to nothing.

    In other countries that have had much longer lockdowns and/or restrictions it may be a case of "how many venues survive" followed by, "how many are prepared to pay for decent acts".
     
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  15. Renaissance after this pandemic is over? That would be nice.

     
  16. Necessity is the mother of invention. Historically, when something popular was outlawed, or people were otherwise deprived of something beloved, the innovators invented replacements—some of which became more popular than their predecessors. I fear that when public entertainment is curtailed or banned, that alternatives will emerge, and given sufficient time, will catch hold and become even more popular than live music.

    I’m not saying it will happen—only that it could, given sufficient time and desire.

    Often progress comes at the expense of long held institutions, which, out of the public eye long enough, are in danger of becoming archaic and obsolete.
     
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  17. Leonid Nidis

    Leonid Nidis

    Jan 1, 2018
    The demand for live music will come back higher than ever.
    That will last for a while and then return to normal.
    Same goes for most activities limited by the current situation.
     
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  18. fhm555

    fhm555 So FOS my eyes are brown Supporting Member

    Feb 16, 2011
    I wonder why we were we never worried about a collapsed economy when we were spending more every few months of the Gulf war than the total we’ve spent so far trying to shore up our pandemic hobbled economy.
     
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  19. Unfortunately I agree with you, and I also hope I am very wrong.
     
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  20. SpazzTheBassist

    SpazzTheBassist

    Jun 20, 2006
    Here
    Live entertainment has been waning long before covid.......its still big with Boomers and Gen Xers, so there will be gigs in 55+ communities for some time to come......in a few decades it will be a niche thing.
     
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