If I sold the MXR M80...

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by kokoshmusun, Apr 16, 2012.

  1. kokoshmusun


    Feb 5, 2011
    Someone's interested for a good price and I might sell the MXR M80. It serves me very well, but I want to try other stuff.

    So if:
    1) I'd rather have a 9V pedal (but 18V doable if it really has to be)
    2) I've never had to use XLR so I'm nervous but ok not having that
    3) I would rather find my own OD pedal so it shouldn't have a separate OD/dist channel unless it sounds really good
    4) I've never needed the EQ on the M80 (not very picky about my tone) so I could live without EQ
    5) Want to keep this always on (not for boost/OD, but basic tone-shaping, the same magic that happens when I turn on the default channel of M80 with the color button engaged)
    6) The smaller the size, better

    ... what would be my options. Would really want to get the Zeibek Submarine but impossible to find and builder are too busy to build me one.
  2. Tech 21 VT Bass, Tronographic Rust Box my good sir. :D
  3. EskimoBassist


    Nov 2, 2007
    Leeds, UK
    You say that you never needed the EQ on the M-80, but always had the colour button engaged - that in itself is a pretty hefty midscoop.

    If you don't need the XLR out then any eq pedal would do for you, to deliver that midscoop you like. Or you could just boost your lows and highs and cut your mids on your amp.

    I'm a bit confused in what you want in a pedal, you say that you're "not picky about your tone", don't need an EQ or an XLR, so it begs the question - couldn't you just play without it and buy a separate gain pedal?
  4. mmbongo

    mmbongo I have too many basses. Supporting Member

  5. kokoshmusun


    Feb 5, 2011
    Hey Eskimo, good questions. Well, when I turn the MXR M80 on, it just beefs up my tone like crazy (more so with the color button on, but even without). That sounds more than just an increase in volume, so it's doing some magic. I want that magic beef.

    This is at home with my Laney RB-1. In the most recent studio practice, there was an ampeg head, and I did notice that it made the M80 kinda unnecessary. However, at another studio, there is a different amp and M80 still does that magic. So obviously, I will need that magic here and there; and I can just drop it if there is a good setup already.
  6. caeman

    caeman The Root Master

    Sep 17, 2008
    It beefs up the tone because it is doing EQing, gain and level things to your signal.
  7. kokoshmusun


    Feb 5, 2011
    ... which are different than just increasing the volume on my amp. So it's providing some beef; and I need that beef.

    I understand that the M80 has its own internal EQing going on, especially with the color button. I don't know how to interpret gain and level. So should I take your explanation to mean I could do the same with a mere EQ?

    Also, another issue is; when I want to record bass into my computer, I go from my board (which uses M80 line out) to the line in of the PCI card on the computer. Is there any advantage to using the M80 XLR to do the recording (my PCI card doesn't have XLR in, but I have an XLR-2-1/4 converter cable... (not sure if that nullifies the idea))? That would be reason to keep M80 or look for a replacement with XLR.
  8. kokoshmusun


    Feb 5, 2011
    I also remember the Fuzzrocious pedalmaker dude saying something like "all preamps except Rusty Box are glorified EQs" in some thread. Is that a subjective or exaggerated point of view, or is it really true? I would be having a small shock if the magic of M80 was just an EQ thing.
  9. caeman

    caeman The Root Master

    Sep 17, 2008
    It is possible that you might get the same results with a simple EQ pedal, yes. Or maybe some other results that you might like even better. If you pick up an MXR M108 EQ, with those 10-bands, you will have plenty of things to test and try out.

    I don't have the stats in front of me on the M80, but many pedals with a balanced out have a "speaker simulation" feature to cut the highs like a bass amp speaker would do. You can buy an XLR-to-1/4" cable if you want to use it. The presence of speaker simulation is purely a preferential thing. Some players don't care, others care very much.
  10. caeman

    caeman The Root Master

    Sep 17, 2008
    The magic is in the configuration of transistors, opamps and diodes that are doing the modifying and how it does it. That is why there are a bajillion overdrive/distortion/fuzz pedals out there.

    As for preamps being glorified EQs, that is partially true. Think about it in terms of your amp. You plug in and the signal has to be preamplified for the next step of the chain to use the signal. The preamp control might be a simple volume knob, or many knobs, that then feed the power stage, which sends the signal to speaker.
  11. coronado3

    coronado3 Supporting Member

    Jun 29, 2008
    Indiana, USA
    why not just keep the M80?
  12. caeman

    caeman The Root Master

    Sep 17, 2008
    It sounds like the OP has sonic wanderlust. The grass appears to be greener in another affect's yard.
  13. RickenBoogie


    Jul 22, 2007
    Dallas, TX
    Giving up something that works for something that "might" is not good sense. Saving up for more and different things is.
  14. lowfreq33

    lowfreq33 Guest

    Jan 27, 2010
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    The M80 shouldn't affect your sound much if you aren't using the EQ or color. Try running it flat, no color, and match the on level with the bypass level. You shouldn't hear much of a difference.

    You're probably boosting the level going to your amp, which will sound beefier for two reasons. One, you're hitting the amp's input harder, probably slightly overdriving it a little, which adds even-order harmonics that are pleasing to the ear. Two, our brains interpret louder as better, partially because of something called the Fletcher-Munson Equal Loudness Curve. In layman's terms this means that our ears are more sensitive to mid range at lower volumes, and as volume rises our ears frequency response begins to flatten out.
  15. kokoshmusun


    Feb 5, 2011
    I'm asking for preamp recommendations, not for you to tell me to save up (FYI, I would be earning, not losing, money by selling it, due to this stuff being sold for x3 times more than the US in my country and another bass player in my country would still be getting an MXR for a lot cheaper than he ever could).

    And yes, I would like to try new things (and my budget requires me to sell something before I can buy another). If I figure M80 was the one in the end, I'll come back to it. How many times do you read in this forum "Ahh, I wish I hadn't sold mine." This is the fun in taking a risk.
  16. kokoshmusun


    Feb 5, 2011
  17. sevdog

    sevdog Supporting Member

    Mar 2, 2008
    I've had a M-80 for going on 15 years and the same things happen in the same order, anytime I think about getting rid of it.

    First) I play bass, by myself without drums and guitars in the room for an extended period of time.

    Second) I tweek a bunch of knobs on my amp or other pedals and decide that I like something better than the M-80.

    Third) I go shopping for something else

    Fourth) I go to practice with drums and guitars and end up dumping the other pedals and back with the M-80.

    P.S. I NEVER use the distortion channel
  18. RickenBoogie


    Jul 22, 2007
    Dallas, TX
    You're asking a question on a free and open forum. We can reply how we please. I like to give people what I consider my best advice, based on over 35 yrs of playing experience. If you don't like what I said, that's your prerogative, but don't try to tell me how to answer a question. Now, go do as you please, and maybe learn a bit of internet etiquette, and be thankful anyone at all cares enough to respond to your questions.
  19. kokoshmusun


    Feb 5, 2011
    Exactly!!! Telling me to save up or that my idea didn't make sense wasn't very helpful or polite, so I replied to your reply as I please. You are being rude while trying to teach me etiquette. Calm down.
  20. alec


    Feb 13, 2000
    Perth, Australia
    If you're not fussy about your tone then a simple EQ pedal like the Boss GEB-7 should be enough. You could get a mid-scoop similar to the M-80 colour switch and a bunch of other sounds.