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Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by haujobb, Aug 23, 2005.
This isn't a good situation at all, we could be next...
That is not good at all. I wonder if there is a way to prosecute these vigilantes? I wonder what they wanted. I'd say that more security would fix the problem, but against 90 men with with rifles? If this was smaller-scale I would say that they need some bouncers armed with rifles. This type of garbage cannot be tolerated. I think that a first step would be to try to convince the police that their assistance might be warranted in future events.
Read the forum thread in the link. This type of action infuriates me and as a libertarian it's a nightmare scenario.
The problem is, the police were part of the bust.
Watch the videos, it's disgusting to watch 4 or 5 250 lbs men detaining 130 lbs girls...
I think someone should report this to the media if it hasn't already been done. This is simply intolerable. Does anyone know why the raid occured, or is this simply the law enforcements war on drugs?
Illegal Bust on a Rave party???
If you want to make a party legit - get all the permits, plan it with the Law in the loop....hire Deputies or officers from PD to run security.....remember, there's nothing to hide right? no drugs, no alcohol, no weapons, right?.....use your brain when when planning a huge party and don't call it a rave - you are going to attract the law. it's doesn't take much common sense....but then again, it's a bunch of teenagers drinking and doing drugs - what do you expect?
why am I laughing at this....cause it's little punks like this who get all fu#### up and go driving...they end up killing someone on the road.
No body knows the exact reasoning, but there is lots of rumors floating about, everything from fascism to boredom on part of the army reserve.
I wonder if a new paramilitary organisation is needed to take a stand against these attackers should they continue their tactics. Honestly that would be a really stupid idea, but a part of me would love to see it happen. This is why we need armed citizens.
And what's with all the camo and stuff? I thought our own military technology was not supped to be used against us... Thos are definitely full auto capable rifles... There was no indication of threat that warranted that massive use of force, nor do I like the officers having covered faces. Interesting how you couldn't identify them if you had to.
Did you watch the videos or read the forum posts? Some of the things that went on their are absolutely disgusting, and I'm not referring to the underage drinking.
The "official" reason for the raid was a lack of proper permits for the gathering.
I was going to email this to a couple of news outlets, but upon thinking twice, I realized that the source itself may not be that legit, and I cannot find any other information other than what's in some of the other forums out there.
There are claims that the Party was legit and that permits were obtained but confiscated at the time of the bust. Once proof is provided on way or another, we will be able to grasp the issue to it's fullest, at this point it's merely "he said, she said." But the accounts surfacing all over are very consistant.
This is where I find the credibility.
1) What are raves known for?
2) If you want to get cooperation from cops - keep them in the loop when planning the event.
3) To further get cooperation from cops - hire them to run security.
4) Do you really think there wasn't any underage drinking?
5) Do you really think there wasn't any drugs?
6) Do you really think there were no weapons?
7) There are always two sides to the story and most of the time i'm not going to trust a teenager (I wouldn't of trusted me back then either)
And non of this occurs in bars and night clubs? I'm sorry but I've seen all forms of drugs and violence in the many bars I've been too, plus, there was contracted security and medical personnel at the event.
And not all these accounts are from teenages, there were people as old as 30 at this event.
1, 2, 3 are not necesary, and I don't disagree with 4, 5, 6. I'm sure there were illegal activities going on. However, that is no excuse for the brutality seen in the video and in the accounts. You seem to be implying that the teenagers are probably lying about what happened, but there is video, and the accounts from differerent people are so consistant that they're hard to doubt. Bottom line is that this type of action/brutality should not be tolerated under any circumstance.
Anyone dumb enough to just have one copy of a permit should be shut down....did they not make any copies? do they not have a check on file at the bank? any statements to the county and/or city? it doesn't take much brain to create a paper trail.
BTW, what are Rave's most know for????? *** do you expect???? You call it a Rave and you are going to get treated as a raver. Period.
Maybe this shutdown prevented people from running over someone on the way home.
As your would have read if you would get your expletive deleted, there is currently no proof to either side of the story, we are waiting for the promoter to surface and make a statement.
So maybe we should shut down all the bars, casinos and night clubs in North America as well, if we're trying to prevent drunk driving we might as well be thorough...
They are necessary if you want some credibility.
Every event that I work at has PD or County doing security. What are the chances of PD or County showing up to an event when their own are working it?
If these children wanted to really throw a legit party, they would have followed the law.
Both you and I know that these kids just wanted to get fu#### up.
BTW, once again, what are Raves most known for?
Yup, I never said people getting fu#### up at bars, night clubs or other LEGAL events was right, I don't agree with that either.
As to contracted security - were they security guards??? Sorry they don't cut it - you know that.
So where there illegal drugs, underage drinking and weapons involved??