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Im re-starting from scratch, any opinions?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Nick man, Aug 25, 2004.

  1. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    Hey guys, I decided to completely rebuilt my rig.

    The Eden gear I was using is great but just doesnt feel right for what Im really looking to do and its expensive compared to the volume I get out of it.

    Right now I have:

    Sansamp RBI
    Eden Navigator Pre-amp
    QSC USA 900
    2x Eden D210XST

    What I will have:
    Mesa Boogie 400+

    and one of either of these:

    1. Nemesis 8-10 cab
    2. Bergantino NV610
    3. Bergantino NV215
    4. Bergantino NV425
    5. Used Ampeg 8-10 ($450)
    6. Mesa Boogie 1000 ($799)
    Im probably going to keep the RBI for direct sounds unless someone here with Mesa 400+ experience says the DI on that is friken awesome.

    The tone Im going for is balls to the wall massive growly grindy distorted. Ill probably have some clean stuff in there but Im concerned about the cab being able to hold up under those kind of really distorted conditions.

    To give you an idea of what I mean when I say distorted I mean my RBI was set with the drive and blend maxed with a lot of bass when we recorded and we blended that with my Nemesis which had the pre gain maxed and the master volume cranked to almost max too with me digging in like crazy.

    (1) I like the way my Nemesis 210 combo sounds and the way the speakers handle being cranked so Im pretty sure the 8-10 would do that bit louder. I also like how it handles a 5 string and I like how the highs come out compressed instead of shrill and screachy which is a plus when distorted.

    (2-4) The Berg cabs all get great reviews and if they are close to that old school Ampeg tone but with more low end they should be good. Im not a fan of the way the Ampeg handles the 5 but thats supposedly not an issue with these.

    (5) A buddy is selling his old ('80s?) Ampeg 8-10. Its tweeterless and has that rock and roll sound down, but the low end with a 5 isnt hot. I dont really ride the low notes on the 5 but I hate how the tone is so much weaker on those when pleyed through one of these cabs. He is selling it for $450 and its in pretty good condition though....

    (6) I like this cab alright. Its not really as punchy as Id like and Im not sure how the cab would react to being pushed really hard, but it does handle the low notes pretty well. Im not sure how the tweeter sounds or how it will sound when its turned down. A lot of cabs with tweeters sound weird when they are turned off since the rest of the rig wasnt designed to handle the highs. I think I can get one for $799 from Guitar Center since the current versions are being discontinued.

    So what do you guys think? Do you know where I could go to get the Berg cabs? I know BC has the Nemesis stuff so I'll probably call Gard for that. Any prices?

  2. I like the idea of the NV215 with the NV610. :cool: Thatd be one heck of a rig!
  3. emjazz

    emjazz Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2003
    Bronx, NY
    Nick, don't mess around man. Get the Berg NV610. It'll handle anything you throw at it; distortion, low B and loud volume. It'll do it all with a throaty, punchy, meaty tone as well. I can't believe that cab everytime that I hear it. You've got to check it out. It far outways any of the other cabs that you mentioned.
  4. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    That does sound nice to everyone but my back and my roadies (aka bandmates ;)).
  5. Those darn roadies, always slackin off. :p The Berg 610. How much do those things cost?
  6. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    I think I saw that they sell for about $900 but would like confirmation.
  7. For the love of god ampeg.

    And the sansamp.
  8. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    Naw, the RBI didnt have enough bottom in the direct signal and my main issue is the lack of bottom in the Ampeg cab. Besides that the RBI alone wasnt mean enough sounding. That combination alone isnt something Im going for.
  9. rockstarbassist

    rockstarbassist Banned

    Apr 30, 2002
    The Woodlands, TX
    Endorsing Artist: HCAF
    Huh. The Powerhouse 1000 wasn't punchy enough? Were you playing the 400+ through it or what? My Mesa cabs have always been very responsive and great sounding. But those Berg's, by public opinion, just seem to rule. The guy who sold me his Mesa 6x10 bought the Berg 6x10 and that's why he was selling it. :) He actually plays with a 400+ as well and is just in love with it. A cab that's as much as the Stingray 5 I want right now is just a bit high at this point in my life, however. :) But that or the NV215. They seem to rock out too.
  10. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    Its punchy but I guess because Im comparing it to the Ampeg 8-10 it doesn't seem so much.
  11. Brian Barrett

    Brian Barrett

    Nov 25, 2001
    Murfreesboro, TN (Nashville)
    Dealer LowEndBassShop.com, Builder LowEndBasses.com
    No question the 215 is an awesome cab.

    Go with the 425 if you want a little more well rounded cab. I've yet to have one in the shop, but I have had the 215 and the 610's and to have them together in one box would be huge.
  12. Basspolizei

    Basspolizei Pseudo bass player/collector

    Jun 23, 2004
    Buy basses and lots of guns before it's too late! You have been warned.

  13. I think you'll find the 400+ with the NV610 to be the best sounding/feeling of all the combinations you mentioned. You want solid, deep low end with great definition and highs...that's the only cab that has all those things.

    I think you'll be selling your RBI. The DI on the 400+ is good...as the feed for it comes right before the power amp, so you get all the tone-shaping and equalization. It's a very clear, strong signal. It was my main DI when I had it. I went through it both live and in-studio and it was crystal clear and covered all frequencies.

    I think you'll find that you might use the RBI as an effects (overdrive) unit, but with the 400+ channel switching, the RBI becomes pretty redundant.

    ***all this coming from an avid RBI user and former 400+ player.
  14. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    <img src="http://ampeg.com/images/products/SVT-2PRO.jpg">

    plus this

    <img src="http://ampeg.com/images/products/SVT-810E.jpg">

    equals tone heaven!!!!
  15. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    Which do you think would handle really deep rumbling distorted bass best?
  16. Brian Barrett

    Brian Barrett

    Nov 25, 2001
    Murfreesboro, TN (Nashville)
    Dealer LowEndBassShop.com, Builder LowEndBasses.com
    The 215 for sure. The Lowend on the 215 is amazing yet very tight. The 425 I'm sure is just as amazing, but I hate to say I haven't had first hand experience to give a comparison. The 610 is wonderful for that ampeg 10 sound yet a little more open and not as dull. The 15's are going to have more movement and handle a little more abuse like distortion.

  17. Grahams Groove

    Grahams Groove Can we please just groove for a while? Supporting Member

    Apr 13, 2001
    Boulder, CO
    Nick man -

    I don't mean to be the 'bottom-feeder', BUT...

    does this rig change mean you'll be looking to unload those 210XST cabs?

    And/or the navigator pre? I'm looking at both for my new rig.

    PM me or email at challenge11*at*yahoo.com if you don't mind.

  18. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    BB and GG have PMs
  19. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    I forgot to mention you should use an SVT-IIPRO with an SVT-810. :)

  20. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    Yeah, you did forget to mention that... today. ;)

    I'll probably end up with an 8-10 because they are easy to find used in the area and I know of one for sale for $450, but Im almost positive its gonna be a 400+ pushing it.