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IMO: Rick Ruben is not a good producer

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Matt Till, Jun 30, 2004.

  1. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA
    He is, but he isn't. :eyebrow:

    OK, his production style is very smooth and stylistic, he makes everything sound very clean...

    I don't like that.

    Their have been so many bands that he took the edge completely out of their sound. Red Hot Chili Peppers, System of A Down (I still like their first album), Audioslave (Rage's tone was much better ala Evil Empire and s/t).

    For non agressive bands, Ruben's style would be fantastic, everything sounds great. But it has no edge.

  2. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    Slayer's South Of Heaven was THE heaviest **** back in the day...

    On what other records do you base your O?
  3. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA
    I honestly think Slayer's work with Rick Ruben sounds too polished. :meh:

    Call me crazy, but I want my metal (especially) to be a little clunky. I mean, the music is definatly agressive, but it's like it's been wrapped in plastic to prevent the music from offending anyone.
  4. Adam Barkley

    Adam Barkley Mayday!

    Aug 26, 2003
    Jackson, MS
    What about Jay Z's new song, that sounds pretty aggresive for a rap song.
  5. rickbass

    rickbass Supporting Member

    Pretty much agree.

    Career stiffed but signed to a contract???...........bring in Rubin. He'll make you sound like homogenized milk....."Oh. Beastie Boys are stiffing ??? Let's bring in Kerry King and morph them into Run DMC Jr!!!"

    He's an integral part of what Pink Floyd was talking about in "Have a Cigar" and "Welcome to the Machine."

    Can you imagine how emasculated Hendrix would have sounded if Rubin had his mitts on him ???
  6. Josh Ryan

    Josh Ryan - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Supporting Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    Ok, fair enough, but he's better than Bob Rock.
  7. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    Add David Foster to the list.
    Bands that once had an edge & later became 'homogenized' by Foster.

    Earth, Wind, & Fire
    Average White Band
  8. Joey3313


    Nov 28, 2003
    That's like picking the lesser of two evils.
  9. *Try's to think of something bad to say about famous producer Mutt Lang...* Nothing, Back in Black was a great album.
  10. Josh Ryan

    Josh Ryan - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Supporting Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    True, but I think Bob "I can't rock to save my life" dulls the blade far more than Rubin ever could.
  11. I love Rick Rubin's work and disagree. If I had the cash and weight as a musician I'd hire him tomorrow. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

    Blood Sugar Sex Magic's engineering/production absolutely floors me to this day.

    I've always liked Eddie Kramer's work too.
  12. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA

    Don't get me wrong, his production is very... "Good"... but BSSM has 0 edge.
  13. DougP


    Sep 4, 2001
    He stole my girlfriend!

    oh, must have been daydreaming again...
  14. Baofu


    Mar 8, 2003
    I think I understand what Matt is saying. I too have a love/hate relationship with Rick, mostly stemming from RHCP. Dig all the Slayer and System he did though. Why do ya gotta make me hate you?
  15. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA

    THAT is what I call rock production.

    Baofu, have you ever heard SOAD's first album? It sounds brilliant, crisp production that is at the same time heavy as hell... then Rick Ruben and SOAD took a collective dump and out came Toxicity.

    MAJOR METAL The Beagle Father Staff Member Supporting Member

    I like his work with RHCP
  17. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    ...like Sha-Nay-Nay has even heard of Reston, Va.

  18. So you're the punk that took her from me!!!

    Ack. Just woke up from the same dream.

  19. Wasn't "she" a character on Martin Lawrence's show?
  20. I don't know if i agree or disagree, but just for reference, what would you catagorize as edgy? give me a song for an example of a song that was produced with "edge"