Installing a Sadowsky Preamp W/Vintage Tone Control

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by Dr. Cheese, Jan 7, 2009.

  1. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    I really enjoyed playing a UV70 last Sunday at a music store, and I hva emy two Fenders on the block because of it, however, I know the market is slow, and my feet are getting a bit cold. How easy would it be too install a Sadowsky preamp with a VTC on a Fender Jazz Deluxe? I'm thinking it might not be too bad since the Fender has the same number of pots as a Sadowsky.
     
  2. youve already got the pedal, why not just make the deluxe passive and run it through that?
     
  3. 20db pad

    20db pad

    Feb 11, 2003
    I been everywhere, man...
    None. At all.
    The short answer to question is "not easy if you don't have experience doing this sort of thing". My soldering skills suck, but I installed one once, after hours of swearing, complete do-overs, and frustration. I needed to buy a "third hand" alligator clip stand, as well as a few odds and ends like heat-shrink tubing.

    There's only four pots, but there's other solder points and installation concerns that really need the attention of person with real soldering iron experience, IMO. I won't even go into trying to get those Sadowsky knobs on straight !

    I've had a good guitar tech install my Sadowsky preamps since then, as it's a $200 piece of specialized equipment that deserves professional assembly.
     
  4. I wouldn't do it. You already have a 'VTC' on the bass (passive tone control), and the internal preamp won't sound any different than the Sadowsky external pre you already have.

    And... sometimes you need to pool your cash, be patient, sell some of the lower end stuff over time, save your money, and buy the real thing:D
     
  5. having stuff like heat shink is pretty much expected if youre going to do any work like that.;)
     
  6. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    I agree, but I was talking about putting the preamp on my Fender Jazz Deluxe, an active bass that has a three band, 18v preamp. It already has a cavity for a preamp.

    That said, I know it still would not be an actual Sadowsky.:eyebrow:
     
  7. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    I have no intention of doing it myself. I know of a good tech who would do it for I think $100 or so.
     
  8. 20db pad

    20db pad

    Feb 11, 2003
    I been everywhere, man...
    None. At all.
    For a competent electronics installer, absolutely!

    In Roger's defense, he's never made any suggestion that installing his onboard pre is anything near a DIY endeavor :p
     
  9. Kemet09

    Kemet09

    Oct 29, 2004
    Chi-Ca-Go
    Endorsements: Sire Basses
    Well Dr,

    You list a Sadowsky outboard pre in your sig. Why not just plug any & all of your axes in that? :bassist: Play on playa!! :D
     
  10. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    As I said, the Deluxe is active, and it is weird running an active bass through an outboard preamp, IMO. If I modded it, I would still have a passive and active jazz.
     
  11. if you dropped a passive plate in there though or had a bypass added, you wouldnt have to buy something you already own.
     
  12. Kemet09

    Kemet09

    Oct 29, 2004
    Chi-Ca-Go
    Endorsements: Sire Basses
    But you have to ask yourself.... What is a Sadowsky trying to be? A good/great Fender, right? :ninja: {Kemet dons his flamesuit & braces for the onslaught from the Bass Haute Bourgeois !!!}
     
  13. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    That's a good point.:)
     
  14. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    I ain't mad at you. I have had that discussion too many times to get worked up about it.:smug:
     
  15. Doc, there's nothing wrong with running your active bass through the outboard pre. I asked Roger about this; he said just run the bass's EQ as flat as possible if it can't be bypassed. I use my Yamaha TRB1005 in this manner and it sounds great. Lots better than the Yamaha on its own.
     
  16. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    That settles it. I'll just use my outboard preamp. Thanks!:)
     
  17. i wouldnt run active into active myself. ive got an alleva outboard and things start sounding pretty overpowering if i put an active preamp through that pedal. flat or not. also, if that sad you played had humcancelling pickups, youll get a lot closer to that sound by making the deluxe passive first and then running it through the sad.
     
  18. peterpalmieri

    peterpalmieri Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Babylon, NY
    I totally agree, in the mean time use your outboard pre.

    There is allot to a bass like a Sadowsky beyond just the pre.
     
  19. NorCal Dog

    NorCal Dog

    Nov 28, 2005
    415/707
    i installed a Sadowsky pre / VTC to my Peavey Grind / FatStacks / coiltap & it wasn't too complicated

    this is not rocket science 'yall

    it sounds AWESOME :D
     
  20. MaddAnthony_59

    MaddAnthony_59 Supporting Member

    Dec 16, 2006
    Columbus, IN
    I Channel Surf During Commercials. (Drives my Wife CRAZY!!!)
    I own a Fendowsky P-Bass Elite I.:smug:

    95 USA P-Bass Body
    83 USA P-Bass Elite Neck, Bridge, Tuners
    Sadowsky P-Bass Pickup
    Sadowsky Preamp with VTC

    The work was done before I got it, and it is a Work of Art!

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    The 3 holes in the pickguard accomodate a single pickup configuration of Vol/VTC(Pull for Passive!) and stacked T/B controls. But this requires a side mounted input jack. I believe a Telecaster Guitar unit was used.

    DSC00143.jpg

    A cavity was routed to accomodate the additional electronics. I wish I had a picture of the opened cavity, as the work was Top Notch!

    DSC00148.jpg

    I'm now in the process of adding another Sadowsky Preamp with VTC to either a REAL 83 P-Bass Elite I, or a 91 P-Bass Plus Deluxe. Or??? (Roscoe Beck IV?)

    I'm hoping to not have to alter the next bass terribley!

    Don't give up on your Dream Dr. Cheese. Even if you need to have someone do the soldering for you, you will LOVE the results. We need to start a Fendowsky Club!!!:bassist: