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Is 4x10 400 watt 8 ohm Hartke with fender rumble 500 head loud enough for live shows

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Isaac879695, May 6, 2019.

  1. Isaac879695


    May 5, 2019
    I currently have a hartke 4x10 400 watt 8 ohm cabinet and am going to be upgrading my head to a fender rumble 500 with the new head will my 4x10 be able to be heard against my drummer and gutairist (gutairist has a 4x12 half stack marshall)we are playing house parties and local clubs venues and we play post hardcore, hard rock type stuff
  2. Stumbo

    Stumbo Guest

    Feb 11, 2008
    Put your cab up on a stand to get closer to your ears. Or tilt it back. Add on a HPF. :thumbsup:

    More headroom, less boom and cut through the mix like a knife through margarine. :bassist:

    Btw, you'll need another 8 ohm 4x10 to get all 500 watts working together.:woot:

    And get your guit player to turn his bass tone knob down to about 2 or 3 cause he's stepping all over your bass. Get him a HPF too!

    When he says "that' s my tone", remind him he not playing in his bedroom and you' re the bass player.:hyper:
    Last edited: May 7, 2019
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  3. Isaac879695


    May 5, 2019
    Thanks for advice even at 8 ohms it would be putting out up to 350 watts do you think that is still enough power to be heard against them lol
  4. Stumbo

    Stumbo Guest

    Feb 11, 2008
    Might. Prolly need to move more air, not just more watts.

    HPF is key, whatever you use, especially if it's the speakers that are distorting.
    Last edited: May 7, 2019
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  5. The cab is plenty. If its not loud enough, you need a *stronger* head. More advertised watts is not necessarily stronger (hint: beware marketing that targets home players who don't gig).
  6. Live music in bars is in decline.

    A lot of that is down to clowns with stadium rigs playing out their rock god fantasy indoors.

    To keep up with an unamplified drum set all you need is 250w into 4 tens.

    Perchance you get into bigger joints with a proper stage, monitors, and a 10kW PA you are going to get asked to turn down to make it easier to mix FOH.
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  7. Timmah

    Timmah Supporting Member

    May 19, 2011
    350 watts into 4 10s ought to be plenty for most things. If you’re into some of that massive-volume-as-part-of-the-act stuff, you might need more, but in most places you’ll find you can get by with much less. IMHO, that’s a great rig for most things. Any stage bigger than you can fill with that rig will likely have a good P.A. to help you along.
  8. revroy

    revroy Supporting Member

    my rule of thumb is that you need at least the same speaker area and 10X's the watts of the guitar player... so unless the guitar player is turning down really low - which I doubt - the answer is no. add another 410 or swap the 410 for a 412 and you should be good
  9. Bob Clayton

    Bob Clayton My P doesn’t have flats or tort Staff Member Supporting Member

    Aug 14, 2001
    Philly Suburbs
    The big question, will you be going through the PA?
  10. That's only a consideration in a cookie monster vocal band ime. The 410 is enough to carry bass with any vocal PA I ever played.
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  11. southpaw723


    Oct 20, 2013
    That should definitely be enough. Anything bigger than a bar usually has a pa anyway. Don’t let people on here convince you that you need an 8x10 with a 1000 watt head lol that’s crazy lol
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  12. Bob Clayton

    Bob Clayton My P doesn’t have flats or tort Staff Member Supporting Member

    Aug 14, 2001
    Philly Suburbs
    Well it really depends. When OP asks will he be heard, does he mean will he be able to hear himself, or will the audience be able to?

    I think the he will be able to hear himself with the Rumble 500 running in 8ohms. The guitarist may not be able to hear him, and the audience probably won't after the first few people in front. The bass will get lost over the distortion and drums without PA support.

    If he has PA support then the sound guy can always throw a little bass in the monitor to help him hear himself, as well as being plenty for the audience.
  13. What difference does PA make?

    In my book vocals need to be heard clearly. Typical vocal PA is incapable of delivering that if the bassist needs more than a 410 to keep up with the rest of the band. Quid pro quo the band in that situation is obliterating the vocals.

    If he is in the PA the question is by default moot. 410 keeps up with stage.
  14. StringslamDan


    Nov 18, 2012
    I've mostly only ever gigged with a 410 and have been asked to turn down way more than ive been asked to turn up lol I'd say that rig should be pleanty loud for your needs! You might consider a used GK 400rb or 700rb II as well!
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  15. Uche_bass


    Jul 31, 2017
    Depends greatly on the show, stage, and bandmates. I can work around a 4 piece rock band with a 1x12 and 100w (although I'm planning to expand the setup a bit), but only because we play at relatively low stage volume and ask for clean monitors and add only what we don't hear from amps/drums on stage. If your drummer and/or guitar player play in 11 all the time... You'll be fine with 500w probably, but make sure to have at least another 2x10 (i would go for another 4x10)
  16. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    It will be plenty loud unless the guitar player likes to dime the Marshall. Basically when competing with tube guitar stacks there is no such thing as the bass being loud enough :roflmao:

    At house parties you will be able to make people's ears bleed :whistle:
  17. Medicine Man

    Medicine Man

    Apr 10, 2015
    If you guitars are gonna dime tube heads with half stacks, only something with similar displacement to a 8x10 fridge is going to cut through. Getting the guitarist to turn down is the best, but not always easiest solution. You should strive to cut lows and boost mids from your rig, stack your cab on a crate and then get them to lower their volume to your level.
  18. Bodeanly


    Mar 20, 2015
    If it were me, I’d get the Rumble head and count on getting a 4 ohm cab in the future. Your current cab will be fine for most situations. Up until I stopped using amps, my rig consisted of the Rumble head and a 4 ohm GK NEO 410. Loud af rock music and never turned it up past 4.
  19. Dr. Love

    Dr. Love

    Nov 5, 2008
    Lubbock, TX
    I'll say it this way: your current rig SHOULD be enough to gig. If it's not there are other problems with the group that need to be addressed before everyone has hearing damage.

    The tired old "cranking the amp is how I get my tone" argument from guitar players is ridiculous these days with the amount of technology available to create any tone at any volume.
  20. I have never played a gig where your set up would not have been adequate. I have played some where it may not have been optimal, but I have never played one where it wouldn't have worked.
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  21. Woofer


    Sep 24, 2008
    Yes. I play a Rumble 500 through an 8ohm 410 and have never needed to take it past noon, even against a loud guitarist and my drummer who I affectionately nicknamed "Animal." You will be fine.
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