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Is a Receptor in your future?

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Mr. Pickles, Sep 19, 2008.


  1. Mr. Pickles

    Mr. Pickles Supporting Member

    Nov 11, 2006
    Dutchess County, NY
    I loves me some singles, but I can forsee a rig in my future with a Receptor as the centerpiece of my effects. I've been thinking about this for a couple of years now, but got derailed when I discovered that I was an effects addict. JMJ mentioned on TB that he may be moving to Receptor in
    '09.

    Modeling has come a long way recently, and I would be comfortable using the Native Instruments or IK Media stuff.
    Not sure if Guitar Rig or Amplitube are compatible yet. If not, I'm sure they will be eventually.

    For midi bass, the options are near limitless, with all of the amazing sample libraries available (not to mention all of the istruments available with Receptor Komplete).

    Anyone plannng to do the same?
     
  2. bongomania

    bongomania Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    I used to be into the idea of ITB processing, but I had a combination of too many technical failures (specific to my circumstances, not general to modeling) and some truly terrible customer service from Native... so I won't be buying back in anytime soon. It looks cool though.
     
  3. fing3rs

    fing3rs fing3rs

    Sep 6, 2007
    Bellevue, WA
    I am definitely interested in the Receptor, but am a real newb when it comes to Midi connectivity. I use a Midi keyboard with my computer for writing music. So, that's my total experience.

    However, I would really like to have a stage setup with a Roland PK-5A (floor Midi controller), a GK-3B pickup on my bass and a M-Audio Axiom 49 midi controller/keyboard.

    The question I have tried to get answered by Muse (no response) and a couple of their partners is this: "Can I use the Receptor to connect to all 3 of my Midi devices (concurrently), with each of the Midi controllers running a different VST?" I want to be able to play the PK-5A and my bass and have two different sounds. And, will the output just be multi-plexed, or can I run the sound output to different mixer channels?

    Maybe this is a stupid question, but I need the answer before jumping into the whole Receptor thing. I will really appreciate anyone's attempts to help me understand.
    :confused:
     
  4. CyberSnyder

    CyberSnyder Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    Maryland
    I Endorse Alien Audio Basses
    Looks cool, but at $2300 entry point I don't like that it's something that will be obsolete in two years. I'd rather use a laptop which is a multi-use device. Or am I missing something that this does that I can't do on a laptop?
     
  5. Taylor Livingston

    Taylor Livingston Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    Oregon, US
    Owner, Iron Ether Electronics
    This is what I'm interested in, too. According to Muse's videos, the latency is 32 samples, which (unless my math is off, which it might be) is one third of one millisecond. So that's pretty significant. Beyond that, of course, they claim better reliability and fewer headaches with setting everything up and making things interface properly.

    If you have in-depth knowledge of computers, I suspect you could put together a Linux box in a rackmount case for much less that would be just as good. Sadly, I'm not one of these people. Similarly, though, a new Macbook pro would probably be as good and about the same price as the Receptor, and it's smaller, has a built-in monitor and keyboard and mouse, and I don't think you can get porn on the Receptor (might be a good question to pose to Muse).
     
  6. Dirk Diggler

    Dirk Diggler Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Anytown USA
    Always lusted after one, never pulled the trigger though, still a laptop guy.
    And Conical I assume your statement was mistyped, 32 samples is "insignificant latency", most modern sound cards are pushing 256 samples if they're lucky.:eek:
    Oh yeah I think your math is about right, and if you can hear that you are not a human. :)
    Dirk
     
  7. Taylor Livingston

    Taylor Livingston Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    Oregon, US
    Owner, Iron Ether Electronics
    They definitely claim 32 samples; whether that's true or not is anyone's guess. When I said "that is pretty significant" what I meant is that it is such low latency, that it is a significant technological achievement, not that 32 samples is significantly long. ;)

    1/3 of 1ms is much faster than the time it takes for the sound to go from the speaker cone to your ear when you're on stage, so I agree: if anyone claims they can hear that...
     
  8. Dirk Diggler

    Dirk Diggler Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Anytown USA
    Ah yes I should have read your post more than once, my bad. :)
    I would have to agree that it's significant to say the least.
    Cheers to you my friend!
    Dirk
     
  9. Mr. Pickles

    Mr. Pickles Supporting Member

    Nov 11, 2006
    Dutchess County, NY

    Stereo out on the back would suggest that all of the effects are mixed internally and bussed to the L and R out (is this what you mean by "multi-plexed?"). There is an optical out which may be 8 channels, but I'm not sure.
     
  10. I've thought about it, but to me a computer-based rig (either laptop or desktop style) seems cheaper in the long run
     
  11. dannybuoy

    dannybuoy

    Aug 3, 2005
    England
  12. Taylor Livingston

    Taylor Livingston Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    Oregon, US
    Owner, Iron Ether Electronics
    Do you know how much the V-Pedal will cost? Depending on how much they are, I would undoubtedly get one. I don't see how they could be siginificantly cheaper than the Receptor, but I won't argue if they are.
     
  13. Taylor Livingston

    Taylor Livingston Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    Oregon, US
    Owner, Iron Ether Electronics
    Well, to answer my own question, the V-Pedal should be going for 1295 euros which = 1,897.23 USD. So, it's cheaper than the Receptor, but not that much cheaper. Still, it's a cool form factor.
     
  14. Mr. Pickles

    Mr. Pickles Supporting Member

    Nov 11, 2006
    Dutchess County, NY
    From what I gather, one should be able to run any VST plug-in on the V-Pedal, which is a significant advantage over the Receptor. Their V-Rack looks like it has numerous analog outs, another advantage.
     
  15. Taylor Livingston

    Taylor Livingston Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    Oregon, US
    Owner, Iron Ether Electronics
    Yeah, although it seems like there's no actual onboard hard drive, and you have to use a USB drive to hold your VSTs. Seems like this would rule out using really large VST instruments like big piano and orchestra libraries (admittedly not a huge deal to me or probably most of us bass players).
     
  16. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    All this plug-in technology is in its infancy, and it will most surely evolve at a rapid rate and it's going to be amazing. But for now, I predict nothing but great big hassles. Justin can do it because he can spend whatever it takes to pull it off, and he's got a team of NIN techs to troubleshoot it. But you can bet he'll have a traditional rig to plug into should this stuff break down in the middle of a show.

    I'll let you rich guys and early adapters be the guinea pigs and I'll buy into it when it's $200 and the size of a Blackberry. It isn't going to help me play "Blue Moon" any better ;)
     
  17. sorry, but, what's a Receptor?
     
  18. dannybuoy

    dannybuoy

    Aug 3, 2005
    England
    Well you can get 64Gb USB sticks these days and 500Gb miniature hard drives so you should be able to fit plenty on there!
     
  19. Mr. Pickles

    Mr. Pickles Supporting Member

    Nov 11, 2006
    Dutchess County, NY
    I think you'd be surprised how robust and reliable the Receptor is.
     
  20. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Fair enough. I'll wait and let you guys try it out first, though. And then I'll wait for a lot of competition that makes the price come down to $200.
     

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