Is Big Brother infringing musics copyright laws?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by kirbywrx, Jul 1, 2003.

  1. kirbywrx

    kirbywrx formerly James Hetfield

    Jul 27, 2000
    Melbourne, Australia.
    I been thinking about this for a while now...

    Lets say johnny gets onto big brother, and he brings his guitar in with him. Now every one is aware that big brother is constantly watching, and that everyone in the house can be seen and (more importantly) heard 24/7.

    Now say johnny grabs his guitar and plays a few notes, and makes up a riff. He constantly plays it, and it ends up being broadcast on national TV. Everyone hears his riff. Yay woo, everyone knows johnny can play guitar.

    But what about if he plays a Metallica riff, or a Nirvana solo?

    If the footage of johnny playing this riff or solo goes onto national TV, it is like a public broadcast, johnny is playing someone else material, without the composers consent.

    have i just lost the plot, or is there a discalimer that is at the end of every show? :D

  2. In the case of Harrison's "My Sweet Lord" and the Chiffons "He's so Fine" the deciding argument rested on the fact that My Sweet Lord" copied at least 8 measures of "He's so Fine".

    And I believe that this is the rule.

    In your case, if the guitarist in question copied a riff and played it over and over, that riff would have to be at least 8 measures long.

    Now the producers of Big Brother would never allow any music to escape into the airwaves in the manner you suggested.

    But let's say that they did. At that point, its not the guitarist's problem...and its not much of a problem for the producers of Big Brother...all they have to do is pay the copyright royality fee. No big deal. They probably pay more for one weeks salary of a gopher getting them coffee in the morning.

    Now your little comment about not having the composers consent is way off the mark.

    If a composer didn't want you to play his music he wouldn't make it available to the public to begin with. Chances are, if your guitarist is playing someone else's music it is because that composer WANTED it to be known.

    The way the biz works is this: If you write a song and copyright it, YOU WANT FOLKS TO PLAY IT. Because you want the chance of having royalities collected and a check sent to your house.

    The only time you will not see a composer give his consent is when he or she does not want the music which case your guitarist would never have heard of it to begin with.
  3. moley

    moley Guest

    Sep 5, 2002
    Hampshire, UK
    Actually, I'm sure that has happened on Big Brother? I'm sure someone had a guitar on the first series of Big Brother in the UK?

    Anyway, like Machaut says, it's no big deal at all. Composer's consent doesn't come into it. All it means is that royalties must be paid.

    Though, an interesting point is, how similar does it have to be? Suppose the guy with the guitar plays the riff from Day Tripper, but plays it wrong? Suppose he plays a #9 instead of a 9 (G instead of F#)?

    Supposing he gets several notes wrong?

    And, one of your examples Kirby was a Nirvana solo. Does a solo count? The solo isn't necessarily part of the composition of the song. If I were on Big Brother and I had my bass, and I played Jaco's solo from Donna Lee (yeah, and pigs might fly!)? Would anyone get any money? Either Miles or Bird wrote the tune - but I don't see how their respective estates can be due any royalties.

    Maybe an improvised solo counts as a composition - would Jaco's familiy be due any royalties? Jaco's solo isn't part of the composition of the tune Donna Lee. It's simply one particular performance, with an improvised solo, that was recorded.

  4. Petebass


    Dec 22, 2002
    QLD Australia
    You're all missing one very big and important point. Big Brother sux.....
  5. kirbywrx

    kirbywrx formerly James Hetfield

    Jul 27, 2000
    Melbourne, Australia.
    I always knew that... :D

    I was just curious, and wanted to get it off my mind.

  6. Wrong Robot

    Wrong Robot Guest

    Apr 8, 2002
    Of course from what I understand the Solo for donna lee was recorded in chunks, and prewritten, so that "solo" was composed.

    But yeah your general idea is still valid.

    they could always pull a Vanilla Ice

    "you see, 'under pressure" goes like this...duh duh duh dadada duh/ duh duh duh dadada duh....but "ice,ice baby goes like this: duh duh duh dadada duh/ duh duh duh dadada duh DAH! and then repeat, you see, that last note, isn't in the original song"

    :D :D
  7. moley

    moley Guest

    Sep 5, 2002
    Hampshire, UK
    Heh. That claim was ridiculous. Did Vanilla Ice actually get away with that or not? He shouldn't have.
  8. Osama_Spears

    Osama_Spears Guest

    Jan 7, 2003
    Aww...crap,so you're saying I can't play/learn anymore cover stuff in my room?:(

    But...but...just a few hours ago I was playing some Metallica :(

    Bastards -_-

  9. kirbywrx

    kirbywrx formerly James Hetfield

    Jul 27, 2000
    Melbourne, Australia.
    Just as long as its not broadcast nationaly :)
  10. Osama_Spears

    Osama_Spears Guest

    Jan 7, 2003
    Aww that sucks,no more Osbournes then:(