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Is is considered bad form to mention your next show that is at a competing bar?

Discussion in 'Bass Humor & Gig Stories [BG]' started by vegaas, Sep 27, 2002.

  1. vegaas


    Nov 6, 2001
    I have never really been sure about this. Obviously you want to let people know when you're playing next, but; the bar has given you the night to play at their place and then you mention a competing bar that you will be at next.
    For example we have a gig tomorrow night at one bar and then the following Saturday at another bar that is pretty darn close to the first one.
    What is the general rule on this?
  2. CS


    Dec 11, 1999
    Is the bar you are in paying you (well) ?
  3. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    I would say no, it's not bad at all.

    It's all about you and making your band a success. I don't know if I'd do it at every bar you play at, but if you have a really kick ass night and the crowd is really into you, let 'em know where and when you'll be playing next. If you really want to do it "right," ask the owner/manager/bartender ahead of time if he or she minds if you announce your next gig sometime during the night. I'm sure if you're cool about it, they will be too -- just don't make the announcement after every other song! ;)
  4. bassmonkeee


    Sep 13, 2000
    Decatur, GA
    I would advise against that if you want to play the first bar, again.

    A more diplomatic way of doing it is by having a sign up sheet for emails, etc. If people liked you enough to seek you out a second club, then an email reminder will be more effective.

    And, you never want to burn a bridge in the area.

    At the very least, ask the club owner if he'd mind you mentioning the next gig. If he seems like he'd have a problem with it, you're better off not saying anything, right? And, if he's cool with it, you are golden.
  5. vegaas


    Nov 6, 2001
    Yeah, they are paying us.
    It is tempting to mention it when you are on stage.
    Good idea of running it by the owner first. I guess if he has a problem with it,then we will just mention we have upcoming shows and tell people to sign up on the mailing list or check the website.
  6. In my genre, death metal shows are few and far between. And so too only a very select few pubs actually have metal shows. So we ALWAYS announce when and where our next show will be. Simply because the pub we're playing at that night probably wont be doing another show for a month or two.


  7. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Supporting Member

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    DR Strings
    What bassmonkeee said. It's just good old fashioned bad business to solicit people away from the place you're playing. If you have a good crowd, why would the owners want you to basically tell the customers not to come to their establishment the next night?

    "Thanks folks, glad you like us. BTW don't come here tomorrow night, we'll be at the competition's club"

    As bassmonkeee said, if you clear it with the owner first, cool. Otherwise a mailing list is a good idea.
  8. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    Sometimes I wonder if half the people on this site have me on ignore.
  9. Nick Gann

    Nick Gann Talkbass' Tubist in Residence

    Mar 24, 2002
    Silver Spring, MD
    I agree with Hategear. It is good to get word of you out there. Just make sure the owner is ok. He might realize that the more people see you, the more likely they will go back next time you play at his bar/club...

    See... you're not on my ingone list :)
  10. who? :p


  11. Christopher


    Apr 28, 2000
    New York, NY
    No. You provide the bar with a service by packing seats and encouraging alcohol consumption.

    You don't owe the bar anything; the bar owes you.
  12. well,if itwas a good bar and i wanted to play there agian, I wouldn't mention the next bar you're playing. just get your roadies/groupies and manager to get some flyers produced to be handed around. no hassle from you actually having to say your next gig.

  13. Chad Michael

    Chad Michael Supporting Member

    Sep 19, 2001
    Pacific Northwest USA
    ("crickets chirping response....")


    actually, hate, i think you give great advice on the forum...


  14. who said that?
  15. PhatBasstard

    PhatBasstard Spector Dissector

    Feb 3, 2002
    Las Vegas, NV.
    Well, THIS attitude will NOT get you a lot of gigs (or return engagements).

    The mailing list is the best idea. You become a liability if one night, you're packing the place and the next night, taking regular customers away to another gig down the street.

    My parents owned a large, live music, nightclub while I was growing up and, although they understood the bands would be playing other clubs in town, advertising exactly where and when from OUR stage would have been a no no (not to mention disrespectful in general). I don't see owners being comfortable with letting you do such a thing from their stages either.

    Here in Vegas its OK if its another casino with the same ownership (most owners have several casinos). I know of bands that have lost gigs where they may have had as much as 36 weeks of their year booked solid at a particular casino, only to lose them for advertising gigs at competing properties.
  16. Christopher


    Apr 28, 2000
    New York, NY
    I guess it depends on the town. In NYC, I've never seen anyone disinvited for telling a crowd where they'll be playing next.
  17. PhatBasstard

    PhatBasstard Spector Dissector

    Feb 3, 2002
    Las Vegas, NV.
    NYC is hardly the norm. Not every town/city has the luxury of millions upon millions of potential patrons. Also, how close is the other establishment and does it compete?

    I can guarantee, whether you're in NYC or Po-dunk Kansas, if a club owner hears you advertising other gigs at a club that he's in stiff competition with (especially if you draw a crowd) he/she will not be pleased (unless, of course, you suck then they'll be happy to let you drive people away from the next poor bastard's club).
  18. Christopher


    Apr 28, 2000
    New York, NY
    I'm not disagreeing with you. I can imagine a ban on advertising in Vegas and Palookaville, where club ownership is more, er, concentrated and the rivalries between venues are more intense.

    In NY, venues, bands and patrons are so numerous (and heterogenous) as to ensure that such rivalries never develop. No band is so vital to the livelihood of a club, and vice versa, that a replacement can't be procured in short order.

    The bottom line is that if you pack the house (and don't break stuff), the owners will invite you back.
  19. Brad Barker

    Brad Barker

    Apr 13, 2001
    berkeley, ca
    that's what you get for having the wrong opinions.

  20. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    Here are a few more thoughts on the subject: If you have enough upcoming gigs and you can afford to do so, have some magnets made up and hand 'em out at the gig. Another way to go would be to make up some little flyers (4" x 6") and leave 'em laying around the bar or stacked near the band, next to the e-mail/snail mail sign up sheet (you could even have someone distribute them in the parking lot, an hour or so before bar close). Still another idea would be to plaster your own vehicles with "next date" flyers (hang 'em in the windows), so when people leave, they can see for themselves where and when you'll be playing next.

    Personally, if I were a bar owner, I wouldn't have a problem with a band promoting their next gig over the PA, while playing in my bar. I think owners know that not everyone is there to see your band, so they'll know that just because you announce the fact that your band is going to be at a "competing" bar, you are going to take away all of their business. Also, Tim should know that if you are announcing the fact that you're going to be at Joe's Bar next week, you're probably going to announce the fact that you are going to be back at Tim's Lounge the following week (while playing Tim's Lounge, you announce the fact that you'll be at Joe's next week. Then, while playing at Joe's, you'll announce the fact that you're going to be back at Tim's the following week). Get it?

    As I said a few posts ago, it's best to ask first, just to be safe, but I wouldn't have a problem with it.

    EDIT: Still another step (and probably the easiest one) is to set up a cheap lil' website -- simply promote your next gig by promoting your website. "You can check out our upcoming playdates at blahblahband.com." You could have a big ol' banner made up with the web address on it and hang it over your drummer (or over his face)! That way, you can promote your website (and consequently, your upcoming gigs) without saying a word. The bar owner wouldn't object to you promoting your own website, would he? ;)

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