Is it absolutely necessary to bias new power tubes??

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Mitchthebassplayer, Jul 26, 2009.

  1. Mitchthebassplayer

    Mitchthebassplayer

    Jan 7, 2008
    Queens, NY
    Endorsing Artist: Olinto, La Bella, JuleAmps, Epifani
    I would never do this with my Trace V6, but I just got a pair of NOS/NIB 7868s for my Ampeg SB-12 and I stuck them in and jammed for a few minutes just to make sure they worked and they both glowed exactly the same amount and the amp sounded WONDERFUL. I was told that the Fender Blues Jr. was made without the ability to be biased so could it be ok or am I just killing my tubes faster?
     
  2. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    If I recall correctly, the SB12 is a fixed bias design. Would it be best if your head was checked by a tech and rebiased accordingly (yes, you can bias fixed bias heads with resistors)? Sure. But if it works to your satisfaction, it should be OK.
     
  3. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    New tubes in any fixed bias amp should be biased to suit them.

    Paul
     
  4. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    According to the schematic in my files the SB12 is indeed a fixed bias design running 6L6GCs.

    Paul
     
  5. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Doubler, don't misinterpret my post...Paul is right. However, I've replaced power tubes in my B-15 without biasing them and they've been fine. OTOH, it's about to go to the shop because it's not working right ;)
     
  6. Red Planet

    Red Planet Inactive

    May 29, 2005
    Atlanta
    I'm cranky in my old age.
    BTW guys Fixed Bias can have a pot or not.

    There is Cathode Biased and Fixed Bias.

    Fixed Bias either uses a resistor change or has a Pot.

    Fixed Bias does not mean the Bias can not be changed, it means the Bias does not fluctuate like Cathode Bias does.
     
  7. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    A simplified explanation: Cathode AKA self bias is how the vast majority of pre-amp tubes operate. The cathode has a resistor to ground and the cathode floats at a positive voltage. This makes the "grounded" grid negative with respect to its cathode. In the case of an output stage that voltage is in the order of say 50V so the resistor has to be a high powered wire wound part. As the tube swings what it can of the voltage across it that 50V is subtracted from the B+, let's say 450V leaving 400V to play with. Fixed bias supplies a fixed negative voltage for the output tubes and thus dispenses with the cathode resistor and lets the tube swing the full B+ voltage. Therefore more output.

    Amps running cathode bias do not need to be biased after a tube change. Fixed bias amps should even though the existing bias level may be fine. There are so many different qualities of tubes around today.

    Paul
     
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