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Is their a diffrence between rap and hip hop?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by MAJOR METAL, Feb 5, 2005.


  1. MAJOR METAL

    MAJOR METAL HARVESTER OF SORROW Staff Member Supporting Member

    Just curious , thanks.
     
  2. Against Will

    Against Will Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Big Sound Central
    Hip-hop is a urban, youth sub-culture. It consists of a myriad of 'elements'. People disagree how many and what exaclty these elements are, but the big four are: graffiti writing, breakdancing, DJing and MCing (rapping) which all came out of the club scene that spawned hip-hop. Rappers are just one element of hip-hop, and rap and hip-hop have been used interchangably, which isn't necessarily accurate. Rap is just one element of hip-hop and many rappers do not really advocate anything inherent in hip-hop, they just do it to make money.

    In pop culture, rapping is the most identified element of hip-hop so a lot of people think they're synonymous. At the same time, there's a difference b/w rapping and MCing. Every MC is a rapper, but not every rapper is an MC.

    OK, so long story short, I would consider any of the pop-rap songs flooding MTV as Rap music, because it's an incomplete version of hip-hop that only emphasizes one element. However, stylistically, there isn't anything concrete to differentiate the two.
     
  3. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz

    Mar 27, 2002
    Ohio
    :D
     
  4. Against Will

    Against Will Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Big Sound Central

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  5. Wrong Robot

    Wrong Robot Guest

    Apr 8, 2002
    While the rundown given to you by Against will is probably pretty good, if you really wish to categorize and stuff... Ultimately I don't care about the difference between hip hop, rap, underground, old school, hardcore...etc. If I like it I like it. I have over 5 GB of Rap music on my computer, it's all organized under the genre "Hip hop/Rap"

    As far as I'm concerned, from a practical standpoint, who cares? music is music. You can ask the same question for practically anything and to the unwashed everything is going to sound the same anyway, so why bother trying to delineate between the nuance, save for organizational purposes.
     
  6. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz

    Mar 27, 2002
    Ohio
    I actually agree with Wrong Robot. If ya like it, who cares what "category" it's in? I listen to almost all genres (cept rap ;))
     
  7. Tim Cole

    Tim Cole

    Jun 12, 2002
    Findlay, Ohio
    Cuz I hip hop and I dont stop so dont drop the boogie.
     
  8. Wrong Robot

    Wrong Robot Guest

    Apr 8, 2002
    However, There is , as tim cole has graciously demonstrated, an enormous difference between good rapping and terrible rapping.
     
  9. Folmeister

    Folmeister Knowledge is Good - Emile Faber Supporting Member

    May 7, 2003
    Tomball, Texas
    Against Will is correct. Hip hop is the culture and rap is the musical element at its center.
     
  10. I took an american music history class and we studied the genres and subgenres of music. Rap is considered a subgenre of Hip Hop. That's just what I've been taught and what's in the textbooks. :)
     
  11. ...what if you strongly dislike it.....then can you still divide them for those of us who aren't rap/hip hop fans? :ninja: :bag:
     
  12. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz

    Mar 27, 2002
    Ohio
    I guess I can't really say, since I strongly dislike it.
     
  13. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Well they're wrong then...:meh:

    As anybody who lived through the 70s/80s knows - rap is that actual act of rhyming, rhythmically, over beats - you're rapping - no matter what the musical genre. Hip hop is a kind of beat and became synonymous with a street culture - so Blondie and Pet Shop Boys records had "rapping" on them, but certainly weren't part of Hip Hop culture!
     
  14. pyrohr

    pyrohr

    Aug 28, 2001
    Pakistani compound
    Not really,
    As a person who grew up in NYC before and when hip hop started I can say all here are wrong so far. In the early 70's when gangwar was at it's peak funk music had just started to hit. gangs where also tied of all the bloodshed and the inability to travel to other parts of the Bronx (where it started) Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens because of turf battles. When music came out onto the streets (dj's use bass bottoms in the very beginning!) Gangs started a different way to battle which was freestyle dancing later givin the name "break dancing" by the media on the outside looking in. At first the party was on the dj to rock the house while the crews danced against each other, as years went on it became the mc who did that job with mc's battling each other. Rap music is the art of using ones lyrics to overide the music to rock the party where as hip hop is the direct culture or way of life associated with rap music.

    Hip hop is:
    A way to dress as in baggie clothers hanging off your body.
    a way to freak your ride as in loud music, 90 inch rims and the biggest truck around.
    A way to speak (lingo) as in "yo yo, wus up!"

    The bling bling: speaks for it's self
    The videos with the "booty girls" and hot tub chicks
    The old restored Chevies boncing up and down with hydraullics

    All that stuff is Hip Hop
     
  15. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    I wasn't disagreeing with any of that - just pointing out that Rap is the vocal part and that Hip Hop is the culture - so Blondie could Rap, but it's not Hip Hop!!

    I was just suggestig that the name Hip Hop comes from a kind of programed drum track -but of course it developed into a whole culture - but the name came from somwhere....?

    My understanding was that the name started out as being about beats like those on Rapper's Delight etc. ?

    Or what...?
     
  16. MAJOR METAL

    MAJOR METAL HARVESTER OF SORROW Staff Member Supporting Member

    Thank you for your responses, i am not a rap or hip hop fan at all i actually find it very offensive but i was curious as to these interchangable words.
     
  17. MAJOR METAL

    MAJOR METAL HARVESTER OF SORROW Staff Member Supporting Member

    I will make myself a littel more clearer as to what i mean m'kay, I do not find the mechanics of Rap offensive but the content of it that i have seen and heard on TV and radio i find highly offensive.
     
  18. Brendan

    Brendan

    Jun 18, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Throw down with some Blackstar, Dead Prez, Del, Public Enemy, and you'll be hard pressed to call it "offensive" unless you loath thoughtful, talented people speaking their minds.

    I'd think it ironic if I were to say something like "All rock and roll sucks, because Creed sucks," and get a bunch of people coming in, "Wait, you can't judge all of rock by Creed. There's all sorts of other bands out there that are better, if you just listen to more than the radio."

    Thanks for playing, we've got some lovely parting gifts.
     
  19. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings


    It's a normal human response to make a judgement based solely on what you've personally experienced, regardless of how limited that might be. OTOH as with a lot of things in life, knowing what you don't know is key.
     
  20. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    I disagree entirely !!

    So -I was born in the South of England , but I feel drawn to a lot of different types of music.

    Olivier Messiaen wrote music in a WWII camp - but I don't feel I (or anyone else) needs to experience this horror, to appreciate his "Quattor pour la fin du temps"....

    Similarly, I honestly feel that anybody who wasn't moved by Grandmaster Flash's "The Message" when it first came out - just wasn't listening!! :meh: