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Is there a such thing as?

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by PUNXBASS, Nov 8, 2005.


  1. PUNXBASS

    PUNXBASS

    Apr 23, 2005
    hey yall,
    just wondering, besides the hipshot detuners is there a such thing as like a pedal or somthing of the sort to go to a drop tuning (D or E flat mainly) instead of the hipshot tuners? like somthing that can do it electronicly? New band im playing with plays alot of drop D tuning but also standerd too. Also, how do the hipshots work?

    thanks,
    JJ
     
  2. Basstyra

    Basstyra Commercial User

    Apr 3, 2005
    France
    CTO @ Two notes Audio Engineering
    You need a pitch shifter. Digitech Whammy, Boss PS-5, or else.

    Pretty expensive for this use I think.
     
  3. Dan1099

    Dan1099 Dumbing My Process Down

    Aug 7, 2004
    Michigan
    Why not just use a hipshot? My band is about half-standard, half-dropped D, and I swear by mine.

    Also, a pitch shifter will do it's thing to every note, regardless of what string it is on. As far as I know, there is no way to go to drop D tuning without some sort of mechanical system, ala hipshot.
     
  4. Ian Perge

    Ian Perge Supporting Member

    May 11, 2001
    Evansville, Indiana
    I'm pretty sure you can do custom tunings with a V-Bass, but that's akin to using a sledgehammer to kill an ant in this case.

    Go Hipshot, or just have a decent tuner inline and learn to de/retune quickly between songs. I'd skip the Whammy idea - I pulled out my old Bass Whammy, and was surprised beyond words at just how much a tone suck it was when A/B-ing it with going direct. The only electronic method I'd trust would be an Eventide, and that's like using a nuke to kill an ant. ;)
     
  5. Oysterman

    Oysterman

    Mar 30, 2000
    Sweden
    How difficult is it to retune to drop D? How much time does it take? Is it too hard or too bothersome, or is it simply more fun with another piece of gear? I just don't get it.
     
  6. i was going to suggest the Vbass, or some MIDI solution, but that is really a bit of overkill...the hipshots take 5 minutes to install, and take a second to drop the tuning...no time at all...

    otherwise you could get a special pick up that separates the strings to individual outputs (like ray riendeau..i am not sure if i spelled that correctly), and then set a whammy to drop to D on the E string output...but again, thats quite the overkill...
     
  7. Basstyra

    Basstyra Commercial User

    Apr 3, 2005
    France
    CTO @ Two notes Audio Engineering
    I personnaly take the 5 seconds needed to drop my E to D when I need it.
     
  8. Dan1099

    Dan1099 Dumbing My Process Down

    Aug 7, 2004
    Michigan
    I really prefer a hipshot, because, my bands songs are about half and half. Whenever possible, I prefer to play in standard, and, as such, I can do so in any song I want now, even when the rest of the band is in dropped-D. It's a big deal when playing like not to have to take time to switch basses or retune to do this. I can do it literally at the flick of a lever. Also, I can (and do!) drop to D right in the middle of songs, for a line that benefits from a low D, and then pop right back up in time for the chorus, which benefits from standard tuning.
     
  9. syciprider

    syciprider Banned

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    Back in the day I just dropped all strings one whole step (DGCF) and adjusted my playing accordingly.
     
  10. tplyons

    tplyons

    Apr 6, 2003
    Madison, NJ
    A Whammy kind of does it, but it'll take everything down a 2nd.

    A MIDI system would do it, but that's overkill.

    A Hipshot does just what you're looking for, what's stopping you?
     
  11. I sometimes use the pitch shifter function on the Digitech BP-8, works pretty well but sounds artificial to me but that can also be a good thing. Most multiefx offer some pitch shifting with varying degrees of success.
    I'm finding that I use my 5 string bass with a capo on a lot of those kinda things as well.
     
  12. oh yeah, thats also true, you could tune it to drop D and then capo just the E string at the second fret, that would be tricky, also, if you want to just to quickly have it in drop D, why not just keep it in Drop D, and adjust your playing?
     
  13. PUNXBASS

    PUNXBASS

    Apr 23, 2005
    whats stopping me is the 90 dollar price tag. i just need it for the E string becuase we only do to drop D, other wise ill just retune and detune between songs. no one explained how the hipshot works tho
     
  14. tplyons

    tplyons

    Apr 6, 2003
    Madison, NJ
    They're worth the $90. I've got one on every bass I own but my fretless. Much cheaper and more effective than the equivalent effect.

    It's a tuner attached to a plate that is allowed to revolve ever so slightly. When in the normal position, it's tuned to E, and you release the lever, and the tuner rotates in a preset amount in order to relieve tension where it can drop to D or another note. Simply flip the switch the other way to get back up to E. Very effective, very well made, and foolproof. 5 minutes to install, a lifetime of use with little or no adjustment.
     
  15. PUNXBASS

    PUNXBASS

    Apr 23, 2005
    ima just buy a floor tuner...theres no way in hell i can afford 90 dollars. thanks
     
  16. tplyons

    tplyons

    Apr 6, 2003
    Madison, NJ
    What kind? I know a Boss TU-2 is more than that. ;)
     
  17. Tuning to D is pretty simple...just pluck the D and the Low E at the same time, and tune down...It's quick, and easy...But since I'm gonna be using my new 5er most of the time, I'm probably gonna end up getting one to drop my B to an A for a few songs...Depending on wether the band decides to use them...The 90 would be worth it...
     
  18. Akami

    Akami Four on the floor

    The drop tuner works as already described, by flipping a lever, the travel of which is screw adjusted so that you get perfect intonation in both settings.

    You can get them on ebay for fairly cheap sometimes but if it's too much for you to pay right now then, since there is no easier, quicker and more accurate way to go, then just get fast at changing your tuning.

    Whichever of these two methods you might choose, you'd be doing it the same way everyone just about everyone else without a 5'ver is doing it... or buy a 2nd bass for your alternate tuning.
     
  19. BassyBill

    BassyBill The smooth moderator... Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2005
    West Midlands UK
    I don't often detune to D, but when I do I find the quickest way for me, with no Hipshot, is the harmonics method. Just slacken off the E until it's close, listening to the open note, ideally just below. Then pluck the pair of harmonics at 12th fret D and 5th fret on your bottom "was-the-E-now-the-D" string and tune the bottom string back up until you're there. You can hear the beats slow down and stop when it's right.

    There are other harmonic pairs you can use for the same thing, or for double-checking; for example 12th fret A, 7th fret bottom D. It's really just a matter of preference. Maybe not as fast as a Hipshot, but pretty quick to do (under 10 seconds) with a bit of practice - in fact, a lot quicker to do than to describe! And no mods needed.