Is there any hope for metal bands starting out!

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by mikenel169, Dec 17, 2014.

  1. mikenel169

    mikenel169 Supporting Member

    Sep 25, 2011
    Im in a metal band in New England and every damn show I try and book, these freakin "promotors" need your band to sell 30+ tickets! Wat the hell happened to giving a decent band a chance because they were good. I mean we dont have money to record or pay for a logo or buy/sell merch. We just want to play live so people can get our live experience. I see too many times local bands having music videos, merch professional recordings and then SUCK live!!! Wat the hell happened to music, especially Metal.

    Has anyone had this same rediculous BS happen to them? Any advice for a band starting out?
  2. Gravedigger Dav

    Gravedigger Dav Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 13, 2014
    Springtown, Texas
    Promoters don't care about your band. They care about the money you can bring in.
    This I would say to all new musicians starting out in the band world. Club owners and promoters are not benevolent entities seeking to promote good music. They are interested in making money. One way to attract customers for them is to provide live entertainment. So all you are is another commoditiy necessary to do business.
    What they want is a band that shows up and starts on time. Doesn't take 30 minute breaks. Doesn't start or get into fights. Attracts customers, and the final analysis is what is in the til at the end of the night.
    If you want to be in the music business, you have to treat it like a business. If you don't have merch and ad collateral, you are at a hugh disadvantage.
    If you don't have those things, you need to acquire them. That means you raise the money to get what you need to do business. You bought equipment, but that is just a part of it. If that is all you have, it would be like a carpenter who has a box of tools, but no truck.
    So maybe selling the tickets would help raise a little cash and get you some exposure. What is so bad about that? Looks like your band and the promoter would both win.
    Now, think about it from the promoter's perspective: Here is a band I've never heard of that wants to play my venue. How do I know if they will draw enough to make a profit for me? Well, if you have enough following you can sell 30 tickets, that is an indicator you will.

    As to the Metal part (and I will get flamed again for this), Metal for live entertainment is kind of dying out and there are more metal bands that metal venues. You need to find a way to make your band stand out from the others so people will want to come see you live. That is marketing. Getting gigs is sales. There is a difference.

    Hope that helps.
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  3. Metalbasspro


    Feb 9, 2009
    WA state
    Start out with some private house parties. Then try renting your own halls. Scratch some money together and make some shirts and sell em. Then you might be able to swing the ticket sales.
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  4. mikenel169

    mikenel169 Supporting Member

    Sep 25, 2011
    Sure did thanks!
  5. hrodbert696

    hrodbert696 Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Dav's points are all good. You've got to ask where the cash flow is and how your band is going to generate it for people or how to generate your own. The ticket thing is good ole pay-to-play, which basically means that the promoters or venues shift all the risk and work of generating money onto the bands themselves.

    One thing you're up against is that metal has become rather like jazz - a niche market, most of whose fans are the same people playing it and trying to get gigs. And even then, a jazz combo can get paying work as dinner music or pleasant background at a corporate reception or whatever. Metal musicians don't get those options (and probably don't want them anyway). It ain't the 80s anymore. The niche is still there - bands still seem to find audiences - but you have to figure out how to work it.
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  6. Get known in your scene. Make connections. Go to other bands shows. Try to to get into a show with other bands, but don't rely on only them to bring in an audience. Social media. Make some vids and put them on Facebook. Find an art student who may be willing to design a logo for you on the cheap, and maybe find a screen printer to throw some shirts together for you. Free demo CDs.
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  7. IncX


    Jul 23, 2007
    in my country, there's always a scene for metal. a good way is to search them out in metal forums. i hope you dont care about money, cause nobody gets paid playing metal. when i say "metal," i do not mean "TB's definition of metal"
  8. bluesblaster


    Jan 2, 2008
    isnt there already a genre for this ? death metal or doom metal or SOL metal ????
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  9. mikenel169

    mikenel169 Supporting Member

    Sep 25, 2011
    My bands name is Blood of Odin, dnt really kno what genre you can put us in. Id lke to thinkbwe are different from most metal today. We have a lot of influences from megadeth to Death.

    We are going to make a 3 song demo after the holidays to give out at shows for free. We have a Ok quality video on youtube if you search the name.
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  10. Checked out your video, and you guys got something really cool going on! Left a like and a comment for ya, and when that demo comes out be sure to hit me up man. \m/
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  11. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois
    Every band has to pay their dues and there is no getting around this. For every gig available there are 5 bands just starting out and 4 of them suck. Venue owners can't waste time and money booking the sucky bands and are always looking for ways to identify the 1 good band that will attract fans and put butts on barstools.

    If your band is one of those that can be successful in this way then you need to put in the time playing a few shows for "exposure" until you can prove that you are worth booking for pay.

    These days it is absolutely essential to get a Facebook page and make sure that you post everything that you can to it (ESPECIALLY PICTURES OF YOUR FANS CHEERING WITH DRINKS IN THIER HANDS) and make sure that you convince as many of your fans as you can to post there as well. After awhile, you Facebook page will contain a small history of your band that will demonstrate to the clubs that you are worth booking.
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  12. They're all giving some great advice here, I'm just here to say that right now in my area, metal is the only thing that still seems to be going
  13. StyleOverShow

    StyleOverShow Still Playing After All These Years Supporting Member

    May 3, 2008
    I was looking into moving out of LA, think Snake Pliskin, and was looking at a few likely places, checking out the night life scene in central to eastern WA. All Metal, all the time...some folk rock (gag) and corny jazz.

    Seems like Metal is alive...yeah, the senior citizen's here remember better times when venues were plentiful and the crowds easy to find and lure out. The reality is in Dav's post.
  14. Even cover bands get asked to sell tickets to play in some venues... They have to cover their asses when hiring a band they don't know, y'know? That's how business works!

    Good luck! :)
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  15. mikenel169

    mikenel169 Supporting Member

    Sep 25, 2011
    Here's a video of us at our 2nd gig. Let me know what you guys think. As said before once our demo is finished You can hear it better than this, the video is Ok.

  16. LiquidMidnight


    Dec 25, 2000
    Ahh promoters who want the band to sell tickets: That's like going in for surgery and having the surgeon give you the scalpel or going into the garage to have your car fixed and the mechanic giving you the wrench. I don't have anything personal against promoters - just the bush league ones who expect the talent to do their job for them. I always love the ones who book a 5th rate national act and then expect the local talent to be the draw.

    I agree that the best thing to do is to cut out the middle man and put on your own shows. The reality is, you'll probably lose money. But metal is an underground scene and the DIY philosophy is what keeps it going.
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  17. LiquidMidnight


    Dec 25, 2000
    That's hysterical. Those club owners need to take an intro to business class at the local community college. I'm sure somewhere in the first chapter of the textbook is a statement along the lines of "Going into business is a risk." If a new beer representative comes in, do they have to go out on the street and sell wooden coins too?

    Ahh, there are some club owners I love and are awesome. But man, the night entertainment industry is the only legit industry where garbage like selling tickets for a venue to be able to grace its stage is somehow seen as legitimate.
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  18. Tell the bar that you'll pay for them free, but you will have your own representation at the door to collect cover charges.