Is this a '71 P-Bass?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by kenjikun, Jun 23, 2008.

  1. kenjikun

    kenjikun

    Apr 27, 2008
    Japan
    Hi, I need your expert advise here. I'm not familiar with US Fender so please help me out here. I grabbed this photo from Yahoo auction Japan and the seller said it's a US '71 P-Bass. I asked for the serial number just now so I expect a reply soon. Based on the photos, is this real? Thanks.

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  2. p-bass

    p-bass Guest

    Feb 17, 2008
    Looks alot like my 1970 P-Bass. I would believe it is a '71
     
  3. savit260

    savit260

    Mar 6, 2006
    Boston
    I don't think they were still using the threaded bridge saddles like that in 71 where they?
     
  4. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    Maybe, though the bridge is wrong. What serial number does the neck plate show?
    Have you checked the Pot dates? The arm wear on the body finish looks a bit too smooth for poly, to me.
    Tuners look too new, IMHO.

    I'm not saying no, just need more info.
     
  5. lowtide

    lowtide Commercial User

    Oct 14, 2006
    Bradenton, Florida
    Owner: Buzzard's Bass Shop
    The decal looks spot on . . . for a bass that's actually older, say from 1969. The threaded saddles also indicates older. I don't have a photo of the 1971 but I'd be willing to say yes so far. Verify the Serials . . .
     
  6. allexcosta

    allexcosta

    Apr 7, 2004
    Looks like it was put together using vintage original parts. Those tuners are WAY too new and they were not companion to that bridge since the beginning. You need to take the bass apart and compare to what you see on this website:

    http://www.provide.net/~cfh/fender.html
     
  7. savit260

    savit260

    Mar 6, 2006
    Boston
    That looks to be a replacement p/g as well. . No holes for the tug bar.

    Probably a newer replacement.

    Could be repro tuners too.

    Yes, they look way too new as compaired to the rest of the bass.
     
  8. lowtide

    lowtide Commercial User

    Oct 14, 2006
    Bradenton, Florida
    Owner: Buzzard's Bass Shop
    Was the bass in a case in a closet for 38 years?
     
  9. kenjikun

    kenjikun

    Apr 27, 2008
    Japan
    OK, the seller gave me the serial number 293025. Based on the link given by allexcosta, this should fall in 1970. I am also thinking if the bass was assembled from vintage parts. I'm still having reservations on this one.
     
  10. savit260

    savit260

    Mar 6, 2006
    Boston
    What kind of money are they asking for it?

    It's clearly not an all original 71, so keep that in mind. Sounds like it's an early 70's neckplate at least. ;)


    Could be a great player though.
     
  11. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    Compare these tuners:
    To these genuine '71s:
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    IMG_0103.jpg

    Do the body stampings that hold the tuner shaft look the same? Are the shaft lengths the same? :eyebrow: :eyebrow:

    Since this instrument is not in your possession, can you ask the seller for photos of the neck butt and pot dates? :ninja:
     
  12. coreyfyfe

    coreyfyfe Supporting Member

    Nov 19, 2007
    boston, ma
    according to the fender bass book:

    the tuners are later 70's at the earliest since the metal of the clover is squared off rather than meeting the post at an angle. the threaded bridge was discontinued in 1969, and a 69-73 bridge should have an extended screw on the G string, so this bridge may be older.

    the serial number does indicate 71
     
  13. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    Good Catch! :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:

    So far we have:

    Pickguard
    Bridge
    Tuners

    hmmmnnn......
     
  14. kenjikun

    kenjikun

    Apr 27, 2008
    Japan
    The seller accepts payment only in yen and won't ship internationally. He has a 100% positive feedback. This is how how he described the bass: (translated from Japanese)

    "This Fender bass was made in the USA in 1971 as shown by the serial number at the neckplate. The color is candy apple red. I did not replace the pots even though there were noise when the bass is amplified. The neck looks straight although its a personal judgement. There was a hole on the headstock after I added a tension pin. There were still considerable amount of fretwires left but the stripping-off of paints in the body is visible as a result of old age. The hardwares are no longer shiny like the new ones. Please refrain from bidding if you are in doubt. I will answer your questions to the best of my knowledge."


    In case the parts are not all original '71, what is probably the most reasonable price for this?
     
  15. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    I feel pretty certain that prices in Japan are not going to be exactly like those in the US. However, here is a very nice '74 (admittedly a less desireable year :D) going for about $2600 in the US:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/1974-VINTAGE-FE...oryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    There is also a "fair" '66 (desireable year, no case, and BAII bridge) on for sale on US ebay listed from S. Korea, for ~$4,500 plus $300 shipping.

    I think the '71 instrument posted has to be considered a parts bass to a certain degree. I also think the owner is either unaware of the facts concerning this instrument, or is withholding information. If it were in the US and I were bidding on it, I think my top bid would be around $2000 US.

    I think of it this way: If a clean 1971 P-bass with original case = ~$3500, then I'd discount that by these (approx.) values:
    tuners changed = -500
    bridge changed = -150
    pickguard changed = -150
    finish issues = -200
    non-original case = -500

    Resultant price with changed parts, etc. = ~$2000 US.

    All IMHO!!!
     
  16. thycrusader

    thycrusader Guest

    Apr 21, 2008
  17. kenjikun

    kenjikun

    Apr 27, 2008
    Japan
    Thanks Jim! That's about 200,000 YEN. Now I have an idea and just have to wait for 6 more days and see how much it goes. :bassist:
     
  18. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    You are welcome, kenjikun, but remember, this "estimate" is based on the US market PLUS my personal opinion on the "parts" issue. If you look at US ebay, you can see the S. Korean bass is considerably higher.

    I would presume this is due to scarcity, but I may be wrong. Also, you can research completed auctions, which might give you a more detailed picture of how sales are going in the current economic conditions. Good luck!! :hyper:
     
  19. I don't know but they blew away the newer ones, you can adjust the strings where you want them. Looks pretty authentic to me. I had a Candy Apple Red 68 P bass years ago.It looks in pretty damn good shape to me, pick guard is not original though it's supposed to have two wholes where the thumb rests where, I see a generic plate there instead, can you play it, that is 99% of it's worth right there, does it sound and play good? I've played pre-CBS basses that didn't live up ti the to hype at all but have fallen in love with a 65 sunburst with an A neck, broke my heart when, I went to get money and she had run off with the first guy that flashed more in her eyes than I previously,
    How do you know how these old basses play and how do they sound before you try one out? If I going to spend 2 or 3 grand or even more on an old Fender you can bet I'll play it before I bid. If you are looking for an old fender the money is secondary be prepared to spend a lot especially from a dealer although there are still surprises out there..
     
  20. savit260

    savit260

    Mar 6, 2006
    Boston
    Irrelivent, we're talking about originality here, which is going to dictate the price.

    That bridge w/ those saddles is NOT correct for a 1971 Precision, nor are the tuners, nor the pickguard, possibly the finish etc. etc.

    This is all important stuff when trying to come up with a price for this particular bass.

    You don't want to pay an "all original" price , for what is basicly a "parts bass".