Is this chip/gouge a deal breaker?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by jmw1977, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. jmw1977

    jmw1977 Guest

    Mar 27, 2013
    I've been in contact with Ishibashi to purchase a 2013 Fender Japan Koa/Ash Jazz Bass. This model is a limited edition and the last one in Ishibashi's stock, plus they can't get another from their supplier. Dealing with them has been a pleasure, but the rep I was working with (Hiroaki) sent two pics of a gouge in the body of the guitar near the neck joint which he wasn't aware of because the bass was at a different location. It was sent to his store in Shibuya and he took a couple of pics of the damage. He asked me to review the pics and let him know if I want to go forward with the sale. Everything else supposedly checks out with this bass. But no discount was offered, only a free pack of strings. Big whoop!

    Is it significant enough to walk away from the deal? Should I ask for a discount? I've been debating this for a few days. I like the aesthetics of it and I'm sure it will be a quality instrument, but I'm not sure I can get over that gouge. Is that crazy?

    I've uploaded a stock pic of the bass and the two pics of the chip.

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  2. Freddels

    Freddels Musical Anarchist

    Apr 7, 2005
    Sutton, MA
    I'd want $200-300 off or it would go back on their dime. I don't mind a few minor blemishes b/c they will happen in time. But, I have never had damage like that on any of my basses (and I play them out a lot). So, to me, that's not minor damage that will just happen.
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  3. JACink


    Mar 9, 2011
    If you really love that bass (as it seems to be something you cant easily find another of) then I don't think that the damage is the end of the world, at least they were honest about it. If you could get them to cover the costs of repairing it, then that would be perfect.
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  4. scourgeofgod


    Aug 17, 2006
    Damage is damage imo, even if it doesn't affect the sound or playability they should still give you a discount.
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  5. JMW

    Somebody's had the neck off and not been careful when putting it back on. It can be quite fragile at that point, I had it happen to
    me last year.

    If you can't live with it don't buy the bass.I get the feeling you'll be drawn to that chip,a discount won't help with that.

    Me I'd buy the bass but chips,gouges and scratches but bother me.

    Hey JACink

    How's things ? Good Idea about asking them to repair it.
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  6. JACink


    Mar 9, 2011
    @kodiakblair, still getting to grips with 2015 and the fact that I had better start doing some work soon ;)
  7. hdracer


    Feb 15, 2009
    Elk River, MN.
    Ishibashi Is great to deal with.
    That is just cosmetic. I would ask for a discount.
  8. Gilmourisgod


    Jun 23, 2014
    Cape Cod MA
    +1 on a discount. If you can get a written repair estimate it might motivate them to reimburse you. It looks like a fairly simple repair for a good finish guy, at least its not right on the face of the front where even the slightest flaw in color match would pop right out.
  9. bolophonic


    Dec 10, 2009
    Durham, NC
    Dings don't bother me, but I kind of understand that some people would never be able to look at it the same way.
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  10. jmw1977

    jmw1977 Guest

    Mar 27, 2013
    I appreciate the advice. I've sent the photos to my luthier (Denny Rauen, who is one of the best) and he's not too concerned about it. He said it's an easy repair. I think I'll go for the bass. I'm on a Koa kick these days and it's a striking instrument. I need a Jazz in the stable and that one will do just fine.
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  11. Good move JMW
  12. bholder

    bholder Affable Sociopath Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Vestal, NY
    Received a gift from Sire* (see sig)
    I can't tell - is the wood actually gouged, or did the finish layer just chip off? Either way, sending the seller an estimate from a reputable luthier asking for a discount or something seems reasonable. Is this a remote "buy before try" deal?
    Really nice looking bass, btw. Almost wish they'd left the pickguard off and rear routed the controls, that's nice wood.
  13. Doctor Hugocat

    Doctor Hugocat Supporting Member

    Jan 4, 2014
    Los Angeles
    Interesting dilemma: personally I don't care about chips and dings because it makes me less shy about actually using a bass: but on the other hand I'd expect a discount. If it's the last one and they can't get another that kind of puts them in the driving seat I guess. I'd probably still go for it if I wanted it that badly! Let us know how it turns out.
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  14. jmw1977

    jmw1977 Guest

    Mar 27, 2013
    @bholder I agree about the pickguard/rear routing. If you're going to use good looking wood like Koa, you shouldn't cover it up.

    I've emailed Ishibashi to inquire about a discount. Maybe I'll get two packs of strings! :laugh:
  15. bholder

    bholder Affable Sociopath Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Vestal, NY
    Received a gift from Sire* (see sig)
    I wouldn't be sure it puts them in the driver's seat, they might be eager to be rid of it. You never now until you ask. :)
  16. That's an easy fix. If they're willing to discount it for the amount of a workman like repair, I'd go for it. It's a nice piece.
  17. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Inactive

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    Seems you already made your decision, so I'll simply add this.

    That's a good looking freakin' bass right there. If it sounds/plays nearly as good as it looks, it will be a keeper for sure. Enjoy!
  18. Bob-I


    Sep 12, 2014
    I too have dealt with them while I was in Japan. The rep didn't speak a word of English and I don't know any Japanese but he communicated just fine with his hands and couldn't do enough to please me. He gave me a guitar deal on a guitar, only 89,000 yen for a guitar that sells for at least twice that in the US.

    Personally I'd expect a discount for that ding, not a huge one but maybe a few %. JMO
  19. You mean you ain't tried to haggle 'em down any!?!?!? That's the best part about buyin' stuff. I don't think I could pass on it, to be honest. Ash & koa are 2 of my favorite woods. I'd jump ALL OVER IT. And, that clear pickguard is the ****.
  20. lowphatbass

    lowphatbass **** Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2005
    west coast
    Nice looking bass there, I wouldn't worry about the chip too much, it's not exactly an anomaly when it comes to MIJ Fenders.
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