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Is this definitely a refin?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by magnaton, Dec 17, 2013.

  1. magnaton


    Dec 12, 2013
    The search for my first vintage P continues. This screams refin to me.. but Fender is sometimes inconsistent in their ways.. especially in the 60's. Can someone more knowledgeable please confirm whether this is indeed a refin/ an original finish, and why.

    Thanks much.



  2. bassbully

    bassbully Endorsed by The PHALEX CORN BASS..mmm...corn!

    Sep 7, 2006
    Blimp City USA
    Don' know but its pretty rad looking that's for sure.
  3. lz4005


    Oct 22, 2013
    I don't know if it's a refinish or not, but in the 60's most solid color Fenders had white primer under the paint.
  4. That's gorgeous! It's got a paint stick mark and white primer...
  5. P. Aaron

    P. Aaron Supporting Member

    looks like Surf Green or a very faded Seafoam Green.

    The bridge looks too clean considering the condition of the rest of the instrument.

    EDIT: resolution on my work computer wasn't good. Bridge seems period correct.

    Any other/more pics?
  6. I'm not offering an opinion either way, but what makes it scream refin to you?
  7. it has got black shielding paint in the control cavity, and the green/blue color sits over that, so the shielding was done prior to the colorlayer. Since Fender didn't use shielding paint in the sixties, I say it's a refin.
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  9. Really? I thought I had fairly good vision, but, man, you must be part hawk. :D
  10. Hapa


    Apr 21, 2011
    Tustin, CA
    I do not see paint in the cavity, shiny spots from something rubbing on it yea, to me in the picture shielding paint looks like it was added after the fact.
  11. Squinty Jones

    Squinty Jones Bravely eating @ MacDonald's Supporting Member

    Feb 1, 2004
    The "wear" on the upper bout looks "reliced"... The "Willie Nelson" style deep groove on the treble side looks totally white- like it was painted over. The paint stick appearance looks very un-Fender-like to me... I'm sure there are experts on this forum that can give a more definitive response. To bear in mind, there are and have been some excellent refinish jobs over the years to the point where people put the work under a black light (whatever that is supposed to achieve?).
  12. The thing that speaks refinish the most to me is the paint stick shadow. I agree that it looks suspicious. This suspicion is based on the way my '62 Jazz looks. Mine has been refinished twice. It was originally 3tSB, then blue, and now it is finished walnut stain with clear coat. After being originally finished by Fender and refinished twice, it never got enough paint in the cavity to leave a sharply distinct paint stick shadow. You can see where the paint stick was, but only because of slight overspray. This is in no way an attempt to say that the OPs bass is refinished. It is just a comparison of what I have seen in my bass, and to point out that, based on my sample of one bass, Fender didn't waste much paint in the neck pocket.
  13. danomite64


    Nov 16, 2004
    Tampa, Florida
    Refin, because there are no screw holes for the bridge cover.
  14. Lownote38


    Aug 8, 2013
    Nashville, TN
    I agree with this, plus, the paint stick isn't in quite the same place and the hole in the neck pocket looks a bit large. The paint is definitely usually not that thick in the neck pocket. There is usually more of a shadow from the paint stick rather than a definite line like on this bass.
  15. Lownote38


    Aug 8, 2013
    Nashville, TN
    Ahhh!!! Good eye! I didn't notice that. I can't imagine the pick up cover holes being there, but the bridge cover holes not being there.
  16. GM60466


    May 20, 2006
    Land of Lakland
    I say refin- There is paint inside the screw hole at the neck.
  17. magnaton


    Dec 12, 2013
    Me again..
    Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate everbody being so cautious about this case, as it seems to be very unique. In response to some of the comments...

    - my observation of it "screaming refin" was me mis-speaking. The more I've studied it, the harder and harder it's becoming for me to discount this as an original surf green? finish. The implications, if it is orig, are awesome.. as it's a rare piece, but I don't want to jump to conclusions at all. The screaming was perhaps in my own head from excitement, but I really wanna try take this one step at a time.

    - The shielding paint in the pocket is a great observation. I've attached a number of new pictures below, including a high-res shot of the cavity. From what I see, it looks like it was applied on top of the surf paint.

    - The wear is something I'm a little less concerned with. I agree that the Willie Nelson spot, and heavy wear by the upper bout is a bit excessive, but real or artificial relicing could be added on top of a refin/ original finish, and so I'm less swayed by this.

    - Why is paint in the screw hole not covered by the stick a problem?

    - The paint stick is an interesting point, and where the bulk of my uncertainty lies. I have seen examples of a '66 that seems very consistent with the shadow on this bass. But there's also a reasonably large variation based on a couple 60's pictures online. At the end of the day, it would be difficult to make a case for refin/ origin based on this alone since it looks, to me at least, like it falls within a certain margin of error for paint shadow. Would appreciate further thoughts on this and other observations. Additional pics below, and thanks again folks





  18. Logical.
  19. Lou Bottini

    Lou Bottini

    Feb 25, 2004
    No bridge cover holes are questionable. Super cool looking bass just the same; love the pick guard.
  20. The more I look at the pictures, the more I lean toward refin. To me the most telling features in order from most important to least important are the missing screw holes for the bridge cover (good catch), the paint stick shadow, and, realizing that these are two dimensional pictures, the paint looks too thick. IME the paint on a sixties Fender bass would have been thin. Of course, judging the thickness of the paint accurately could only be done with the bass in hand. The same would be true or the paint in the control cavity. Without having the bass in hand, I can't tell which paint is on top. If the non-conductive paint is over the green, the mystery is solved. But, hey, I'm just a guy on the interweb.

    Edit: I just noticed the pickguard. If that isn't real I'd really like to know where it came from.