Its a benifit show !

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by AdamR, Dec 22, 2014.

  1. AdamR

    AdamR Inactive

    Sep 24, 2007
    Bethel CT
    Seems like every show we are asked to play is a benefit for something or another. I'm all for helping out a good cause but I'm starting to think its an excuse for not paying bands. Last one we did they actually charged us a door fee of $5.00ea to get in. Has anyone else noticed this trend ?
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  2. RoadRanger

    RoadRanger Supporting Member

    Feb 18, 2004
    NE CT
    I'd walk myself...
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  3. AdamR

    AdamR Inactive

    Sep 24, 2007
    Bethel CT
    The thought crossed my mind but there was free food,
  4. you should have played "for the benefit of mr. kite"

    like 60 times
  5. BazzTard

    BazzTard Inactive

    they made you PAY to play for free?

    what? they didn't think you playing for nothing was enough ?

    that's ingratitude, hope you all played badly lol
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  6. modulusman

    modulusman Inactive

    Jan 18, 2004
    If you get a rep for doing these type of gigs all the time then that is all you will be offered. I play with 2 different bands and play 75-80 nights a year. We might play for free 3-4 times a year.
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  7. AdamR

    AdamR Inactive

    Sep 24, 2007
    Bethel CT
    Im fine with doing 2 or 3 a year. The last one was to raise money for a friend of our guitarist who was in an accident otherwise I would have left when they asked us to play. Being in an original metal band I dont expect the pay to be good to begin with. Thats just how it is around here. Even the bands that have been around for years and are considered the top of our scene arent making much more then a hundred bucks for a show. We're only playing 30-45 minute sets.
  8. Winfred


    Oct 21, 2011
    You get what you tolerate.
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  9. MrLenny1


    Jan 17, 2009
    New England
    Seems like there are no paying gigs anymore.
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  10. AdamR

    AdamR Inactive

    Sep 24, 2007
    Bethel CT

    This is how it seems to go around here. Promoter contacts you about a show. You agree to show. Usually getting paid off the door plus a small bar tab.
    Promoter expects bands to do all the promoting. No fliers, no advertising other then a Facebook event page. Promoter posts load in times and set times on said facebook page. Bands show up on day of show, Promoter does not. End of show comes no one gets paid. I'm quickly learning what "promoters" to work with and which ones not to and there are more bad ones then god ones. Seems every guy that is into metal but can play an instrument in a promoter.

    Some of them just seem to do these Benefit shows so at least you know a head of time they aren't paying you.
  11. silky smoove

    silky smoove Supporting Member

    May 19, 2004
    Seattle, WA
    I just played a benefit gig last Friday night. We do them periodically, but not enough to detract from our normal schedule. The last one was in potential conflict with another gig the following night, so we told the benefit organizer that we needed a meager $500 guarantee, and that we would not be doing any promotion due to the need to promote the gig the following night. They still agreed and had us come out. The point I'm trying to make is that doing some charity gigs each year is a good thing, but don't let charity take away from your primary efforts. If they want you bad enough, they'll agree to reasonable terms. Don't get greedy and try to fleece a charity, but also don't undervalue yourself.
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  12. ForSix


    Jul 22, 2008
    Let's see. "Charity" wants five musicians to dedicate 7 hours on a Saturday night, load in $10,000 worth of sound equipment, set it up, tear it down and transport it back to their house, for free, and they're not the greedy ones?
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  13. Macch5


    Nov 8, 2014
    Hudson Valley
    I wind up doing a few benefits a year. Its always for a good cause and usually a good time. But asking you to pay to get in if your playing is ridiculous.
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  14. I'm all for helping out worthy local charities, but I still have a day job, so I can afford it if I'm not booked elsewhere. I played for years in a corporate band that did 12-20 charity gigs a year. If I was scheduled to work that day, the gig was my shift. Occasionally I was asked to do a gig on a day off, and I always did unless I was booked.

    It'd be a different story if music was my only source of income.
  15. Basshappi


    Feb 12, 2007
    "Seems like an excuse for not paying bands..."
    Yep. Just like all these bars that have only "Open mic" and then prat on about how they are supporting live music. :rollno:

    My guideline has become, if everyone else is donating their time/proceeds (i.e the vendors/concessionaires, event staff, etc.) then fine so will we. If anyone else is getting paid then so are we. We'll be happy to work out a reduced fee but if that isn't good enough, pass.
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  16. Aqualung60


    Jun 19, 2013
    New Jersey
    If you had to pay, then the food wasn't free.
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  17. Sure , my band will play your benefit for free, equipment rental is $400 though.
  18. PullThePlug


    Jan 8, 2014
    Things aren't too different on this side of the coast either. I played in a death/thrash band for a couple years and experienced pretty much this ^ or the promoters will show up, but are insanely disorganized. It really is annoying, and led me to quit playing live for a short time.
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  19. katalyzt13

    katalyzt13 some dude

    May 22, 2012
    There wasn't free paid $5 for it. :cool:
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  20. tedious1


    Feb 14, 2014
    If you ask us to play a benefit, we look up our history with you, if we have none, we aren't playing it. If we have a history, one where we don't get paid what we were 'guaranteed' or shows have been canceled at the last minute, etc. etc. then you have an outside shot, at that point it really depends on the benefit. If we have a history, and we've gotten paid, in full or usually anyways (things happen, we get that) then as long as there is no conflict with a paying gig, congratulations, you gotta band for your benefit.

    Honestly, if I was promoting, that's how I'd work it too, I wouldn't ask a band to play a benefit until I had them on a few bills where they got paid, but similarly, if I'm throwing them shows, getting them paid, and they never do a benefit for me, then I probably find other bands to throw those paying gigs at.
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