J bass p-up pop/shimming p-up covers?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by ngnt, Apr 22, 2012.

  1. ngnt

    ngnt

    Apr 22, 2012
    D.C.
    Hey guys,

    I've always had basses without exposed pole pieces until last year when I bought my P bass and my J basses. Everyone of them has exposed pole pieces that protrude from the pickup cover inevitably making contact with the string making that obnoxious 'pop' that everyone complains about. I was curious if anyone had put a 'shim' between the top of the pickup and the pickup cover itself so the pole pieces still sit in the holes of the cover but recessed so the 'popping' is avoided. Right now I have clear tape (so nobody will see :ninja:)covering the exposed part of the pole pieces but that tape will wear out eventually. Does shimming between the cover and pickup seem like the way to go without physically altering the height of the pole pieces?

    thanks!
     
  2. Dark Horse

    Dark Horse Supporting Member

    Jul 31, 2008
    Austin, TX
    If you're hitting the strings on the polepieces, your pickups are adjusted too high for your technique.
     
  3. ngnt

    ngnt

    Apr 22, 2012
    D.C.
    the pickup on the P is as low as I can make it while still keeping a bit of cover for my thumb to rest on.
     
  4. IntrepidCellist

    IntrepidCellist

    Sep 10, 2009
    Manhattan
    Hmm. You're either going to have to hit it lighter, go with heavier strings for less deflection, or just screw it down lower and have to deal with it :-/
     
  5. Dark Horse

    Dark Horse Supporting Member

    Jul 31, 2008
    Austin, TX

    Then you're striking the strings toward the bass body, instead of parallel to it. You shouldn't be striking the strings toward you. In fact, you shouldn't need to play very hard at all, unless you're looking to get a bunch of compression. Lighter touch = fatter tone. However, even if you *are* looking for natural compression and less low end, you should still be striking the strings parallel to the body.

    Provided the pickups are properly adjusted, it isn't an "equipment issue"...it's a "technique issue".
     
  6. ngnt

    ngnt

    Apr 22, 2012
    D.C.
    Technique will change from song to song as dictated by the dynamics of said song. Digging in is inevitable the change in tone is what is needed. Has anybody put a shim between the pickup cover and the pickup or something similar or is this going to become a technique lesson? Though the suggestions are sincerely appreciated, I am looking for a 'equipment' solution, not a 'technique' solution.
     
  7. soulman969

    soulman969 Inactive

    Oct 6, 2011
    Englewood, Colorado
    How high are these pole pieces? The ones on my JBass are nearly flush. Maybe 1-2mm extended at most.
     
  8. ngnt

    ngnt

    Apr 22, 2012
    D.C.
    Between 2 and 3 mm.
     
  9. lowfreq33

    lowfreq33

    Jan 27, 2010
    Nashville
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    I have a bass that did that, I covered the pickups with black electrical tape. What you're suggesting would probably work fine as well.
     
  10. ngnt

    ngnt

    Apr 22, 2012
    D.C.
    The J pickups aren't adjusted lower yet. I want to raise the P pickup back up if the shimming works out so I have more to rest my thumb on. Which is looking like thats how this is going to end up. I'm happy with the tone and output I'm getting from everything otherwise I'd go for something a little easier than cutting different shims for these 4 basses.
     
  11. Sharko

    Sharko

    Jun 18, 2009
    Washington, DC
    don't get pissy dude, I think people are having a hard time understanding your problem (I certainly don't get it).

    The short answer is yes, you can put a shim between your pickup and the cover so the cover sits up higher and protects the pole pieces from the strings.

    That said, I don't understand at all how you have a situation in which your pickups are close enough to the strings that they can actually come in contact with each other, I think your pickups must be sitting way too high.
     
  12. ngnt

    ngnt

    Apr 22, 2012
    D.C.
    I thought about that, I just love the look of the exposed pole pieces thats why I opted for the clear tape. Have you gotten any wear on the electrical tape. I'm sure it'll last a while.
     
  13. Dark Horse

    Dark Horse Supporting Member

    Jul 31, 2008
    Austin, TX

    Well, then my apologies. I never have the problem you're encountering even when "digging in". So best of luck ...i hope you get it sorted. :)
     
  14. soulman969

    soulman969 Inactive

    Oct 6, 2011
    Englewood, Colorado
    Hm, I've never needed to do it but I would imagine small plastic shim inside the corners of the cover that would raise the cover a few mm would work. My only question is would you then find yourself just hitting the pickup cover and getting a thumping sound from that which the pickups would magnify?

    No way to lower the pickups and still get the tone and balance you want huh?
     
  15. ngnt

    ngnt

    Apr 22, 2012
    D.C.
    I realize that came off as upset and I apologize (I was getting nagged by my girlfriend), that was not intended at all especially as a first time poster.
     
  16. ngnt

    ngnt

    Apr 22, 2012
    D.C.
    Thats something I hadn't thought about. I guess the only way to find out is to do it and see. Seems better than the popping though ;) Do you think the sound would get lost as part of the attack of each note?
     
  17. Dark Horse

    Dark Horse Supporting Member

    Jul 31, 2008
    Austin, TX
    It's all good. I understand for sure.

    Best of luck to you. And have a great night ....

    :)
     
  18. soulman969

    soulman969 Inactive

    Oct 6, 2011
    Englewood, Colorado
    Just rap on the cover with something metallic with the pickup volume cranked and you'll get a pretty good idea how well those pickups conduct the sound.

    I think how much of that gets buried depends on how hard your hitting them. If I rap on mine I get a hollow thump or a clack and it's not very subtle but then I'm in my den and my amp isn't roaring out notes at volume either.
     
  19. ngnt

    ngnt

    Apr 22, 2012
    D.C.
    thanks Dark Horse, you're definitely with me with the simple fix comment. Again, your technique comment is thoroughly appreciated and I will keep that in mind. Shaking the technique you've been using for 14 or so years is definitely not an easy task, but a path worth attempting nonetheless.
     
  20. soulman969

    soulman969 Inactive

    Oct 6, 2011
    Englewood, Colorado

    Wish they'd come out with a model with that feature permanently disengaged or at the very least a mute button. :D