J pickup.... string balance issue

Discussion in 'Hardware, Setup & Repair [BG]' started by DavidEdenAria, Dec 21, 2014.

  1. DavidEdenAria

    DavidEdenAria

    Dec 13, 2013
    On a Hill
    I have a 1997 Ibanez active SR800 with the P/J pickup setup.

    I cannot get the bridge J pickup to balance evenly across the strings....the 'E' is always a bit louder....of course I see no way to individually adjust polepieces because the J pickup is covered anyway.

    What should I do to try to get the J not so loud on the 'E' string?

    The P neck pickup balances perfectly because it can be adjusted moreso than the J pickup.
     
  2. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    alpha-music.com
    you just have to drop the J pickup down until the overly hot string evens out with the rest, especially on the low E side.

    (this is why flat-pole pickups never made any sense to me.)
     
  3. DavidEdenAria

    DavidEdenAria

    Dec 13, 2013
    On a Hill
    I've already done this......the 'E' continues to sound louder than the 'A' no matter how far I drop it.

    I agree flat poles don't seem to make sense in this respect but I have no problem with my 72 Musicmaster bass balancing or my 85 Peavey Foundation which has the Super Ferrites set up like a J bass.

    I guess there is the possibility the 'A' string is somehow at fault being weaker?

    I got to thinking......maybe the pickup itself is not adjusting when I adjust it because it has a cover......you know, only the cover is adjusting properly?
     
  4. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    alpha-music.com
    that doesn't make any sense, the pickup is still under the cover, so when you lower the bass side, the pickup is lower too.

    i think you just haven't dropped it far enough, at some point the E won't be louder than the other strings.

    stil though, how are you EQ'ing the bass? the ibanez pre's EQ tends to be really hyped, so if you turn stuff too far up or down you can end up with uneven notes.
     
  5. DavidEdenAria

    DavidEdenAria

    Dec 13, 2013
    On a Hill
    Walter, the E string can be lowered enough that it is not as loud as the D and G string....I can even get the E to BALANCE with the D and G string but at THAT point the A is still softer than the E and a bit softer than the D & G.

    The A overall is not as loud with the strings adjusted following the curvature of the board.

    The EQ is set flat on guitar and amp.....even with EQ adjustment which I tried out of desperation the E is louder than the A

    Follow me?

    When I get the E to balance with the D & G the A string is softer in volume than all of them.

    I have tried raising the E string way high and it FINALLY balances in volume but it is higher than I have ever set an E string at that point....I always try to follow the curvature of the fingerboard to set string height....in this case the E needs to be higher than normal to get even close to even in volume.
     
  6. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    alpha-music.com
    yeah, i hate that idea too; who wants to wreck the playability just trying to get the sound right?

    are these pickups themselves active? maybe a replacement J with staggered poles, like say the dimarzio area J, might do the trick.
     
  7. DavidEdenAria

    DavidEdenAria

    Dec 13, 2013
    On a Hill
    Yes, they are active and I've heard great things on the Dimarzio area J pickups.....but....

    I decided to raise the pickups as high as possible when I discovered they would not stay in place adjusted very high.

    So...I pulled the strings and pulled the pickups, which have foam underneath, but I needed to add a bit more foam as the stock foam wasn't tall enough to allow the pickups to stay adjusted higher.

    I put it all back together.......first thing I noticed with the pickups higher it is QUITE A BIT louder but not too compressed and mushy or gainy......whoever adjusted the pickups before had them up as far as they would go with the factory foam (I recently got this bass)... now they will sit closer to the strings with the added foam.

    Guess what? NOW the J pickup is more even across the strings after much string height adjustment!

    Apparently the factory foam compressed under the pickups just enough where the pickups would not sit close enough to the strings.

    The G string seems close to the pickup but sounds fine....there seems to be a narrow range of where these pickups can sit under the strings.

    Its too late to really crank the bass up but it sounds more balanced....I will know more tomorrow.
     
  8. JustForSport

    JustForSport Guest

    Nov 17, 2011
    EMG recommends getting the pickup as close to the strings as possible for their active pickups.
     
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  9. DavidEdenAria

    DavidEdenAria

    Dec 13, 2013
    On a Hill
    Yes!

    I had no idea the active pickups needed to be that close to the strings but I am a newbie to the bass world coming from the guitar world.

    It appears the added foam was the solution.
     
  10. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    alpha-music.com
    so it was too far away? interesting!

    as a general principle, the further away they are the less difference in output between one string and the next (magnetic inverse square law and all that) just at the cost of volume and presence. i suppose yours was just losing the highs more than the lows as it was backed away, leaving too much low E in the mix.

    as for recommended distances, it's got nothing to do with active vs. passive; EMGs have very little magnet pull, which is why you can get them right on up there without any string pull throwing off the sound.

    music man stingray pickups (also an active bass) need to be further away because they have lots of magnet pull, especially on the low string.

    you can use a screwdriver or other metal object to get a feel for how hard the pickup is pulling, which will give you a general idea how close you can get it to the strings before you start getting weirdness.

    (i like 'em as close as i can get away with myself.)
     
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  11. DavidEdenAria

    DavidEdenAria

    Dec 13, 2013
    On a Hill
    I don't know if EMG made or designed these pickups or not.

    I still have the E string raised individually a bit more than I like, but I managed to get it pretty well balanced.

    Definitely many pickups have more magnetic pull....fully charged A5 magnet types whereas A2 are normally softer magnetic field.

    The Duncan SPB-2 Hot P bass pickup definitely does not like to be too close to the strings or it gets mushy.
     
  12. JustForSport

    JustForSport Guest

    Nov 17, 2011
    I think that that was the biggest part of it in this case, and as a larger string generates a larger signal. Usually, active pickups are designed with a preamp which can boost the clean signal generated by their lower-powered coils.

    Are those active/powered pickups, or passive with an active/powered preamp?
     
  13. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    alpha-music.com
    passive pickups into a preamp.

    it's kind of a distinction without a difference though, EMGs are passive coils into a preamp built right into the pickup housing itself.
     
  14. JustForSport

    JustForSport Guest

    Nov 17, 2011
    Yeah, that's so, but (not having had any apart) all the active (powered) pickups I've had have relatively less magnetic attraction at the surface than most passive pickups. They probably use less winds to allow clean signal that's then boosted, but why (or how do they get away with) less magnet strength?
     
  15. bass nitro

    bass nitro

    Feb 21, 2011
    BG,SZ
    I had same problem with my SR 1000 E but it was needed some bit of lowering of J pickup under E string and rising string a little bit itself to be achieved balance point.With some string brands is very difficult to be done.I know that you try to follow curvature but i assume that SR 800 it is almost flat like my,so it is not going to be a huge problem if E string is little higher.My pickups are Ibanez USA,do not know they are be made of DiMarzio's but have same issue on J one.Just to mention that this happens only when electronics in on,otherwise none issues at all.