Discussion in 'Bassists [BG]' started by Jeff Haley, Nov 18, 2001.

  1. Jeff Haley

    Jeff Haley

    May 17, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga.
    Jaco overated? Are you kidding? Jaco was the greatest. There are many great players and I think
    it's best to focus on the positive aspects of one's
  2. Mike


    Sep 7, 2000
    Overated? No. The greatest? What does that mean, really? A great jazz oriented player? Yes. Do I find his playing highly respectable? Absolutely. Do I find his million note staccatto and chromatic based solos interesting all the time? No. I owned his solo album and could never get beyond about the 3rd tune without falling into the murkiest depths of boredom. I don't find his compositions to be motivating or even able to maintain my interest for a long period of time. I prefer something a little more risque than his over produced, watered down style of writing. I would much rather listen to John Wetton's playing on Crimson's "Starless and Bible Black" for jazz inspired chops (not really jazz, per se) than than Donna Lee. But, whatever floats your boat.

    Not all bassists are staunch Jaco fans nor do we need to be. But, there's nothing wrong with being one either.
  3. Jeff Haley

    Jeff Haley

    May 17, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga.
    Thanks for the reply. I agree that some of Jaco's solo work is difficult to follow but his true greatness
    is in the way he played a simple groove and gave it life. His ability to play with emotion along with great
    technique is what inspires me . My favorite Jaco songs are usually his more simple ones.
  4. XavierG

    XavierG In Memoriam

    He's not everyone's cup of tea, but I was truly inspired by his playing. Greatest? Too subjective to rate.
  5. that's the first time i've ever seen the words "simple" and "jaco" in the same sentence
  6. ugh, Jaco, yawn. Great, harmonics, and he used it as a lead instrument. Well done mate, i mean he did a lot for bassplaying but i mean, come on. Did he really really make a huge difference to any other bass players? Who is totally influenced by one player alone. I know im not, but then thats all my own opinion
  7. XavierG

    XavierG In Memoriam

    :oops: YAWN!
  8. Jeff Haley

    Jeff Haley

    May 17, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga.
    Well I think everyone knows how much I love Jaco's
    playing. I also love Roscoe Beck, Billy Sheehan, and
    many other players. That's the beauty of music. There are so many players that inspire us. Thanks for the response.
  9. Murf


    Mar 28, 2001
    Funny thing is I first heard jaco on Joni Mitchells Hejira album and I still to this day think his lines on refuge of the roads are the best/most melodic he's ever played (in fact it was this song which made me take up bass in the first place).

    I must admit the only tracks on his solo cd I liked were portrait of Tracy and come on come over..the "noodly" jazz thing just never did it for me.
  10. smooth


    Nov 22, 2001
    jax fl
    how can one define greatest?how can you say that sombody is the best? jaco was amazing and he deserves due respect but there is sooo many talented yet undiscovered playersin the world. to say that jaco is the best is to speak with narrowminded and one sided approach to this topic
  11. I guess he had about the same influence on the bass as Hendrix had on the guitar... or Parker had on the sax... or Miles...

    I know professional jazz bassists who switched to double bass when "Jaco Pastorius" came out. They knew the game had changed and they could no longer compete. They eventually came back to electric, but not until after some serious 'sheddin' ;)

  12. beachgeddy


    Jul 11, 2001
    Muskegon, MI
    I was inspired to start playing bass by McCartney, after playing beatles songs on guitar for a year or so it just struck me that there was so much more happening with the bass, and I dug the fact that its affects were more subtle and rhythm-oriented . . . I was actually inspired to learn fretless from hearing Dave Pegg on a Jethro Tull album, THEN I heard Jaco and was struck by his command over improvisation, which can't be denied, and the propulsive rhythm he and a drummer could generate (awesome!), which then led me into the world of jazz . . . but the people who listen to Jaco are mainly bass players (or jazz buffs) his music was never popular, only to those who want to play like him . . . I would say he did for bass-musicianship what the Beatles did for rock bands, just raised the standard at that point in time . . . IMO the concepts of better/worse don't apply to music . . . anyway, you gotta admire the guy's humility! :rolleyes:
  13. Few people have contributed as much to the advancement of the art of bass playing as jaco has.Most of the people who diss his playing are people who cant ,and never will play on the level he did.Instead of acknowledging his greatness,they knock his playing as a coping structure for the fact that they will never play anything near as great as he did.So for those of you who dont "get" jaco's music-i am truely sorry for you-you are missing out on something wonderful. Jaco is ,was and will always be the KING of the electric bass

    "mediocrity is the hallmark of popularity"

    p e a c e
  14. at the end of each of these posts there should be a big "I'M right and YOU'RE wrong!" message.
  15. XavierG

    XavierG In Memoriam

    You're right! ;) But I'm 'righter'!
  16. Xavier-
    I enjoyed jaco jam.well done man.
  17. what're some good Jaco songs?
  18. Flatwound

    Flatwound Supporting Member

    Sep 9, 2000
    San Diego
    All of 'em.

    Seriously, I really like his stuff with Weather Report. His solo stuff is cool, but I'm usually drawn more to ensemble music rather than solo. I like the way he played with other musicians (most of the time).

    His technique, sound, and musicality were just astonishing. There are certainly bassists who can play his stuff now, but that's not the same as doing it in the first place. Jaco was a pioneer and an innovator. There aren't really very many who have had the kind of impact he had.
  19. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Inactive

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    DR Strings
    Jaco's ability was also revered among his non-bassist peers. Weather Report wouldn't have had the success they did if their fan-base was mainly bass players.

    Was Jaco the greatest? Sure... to some people.
  20. beachgeddy


    Jul 11, 2001
    Muskegon, MI
    He was the world's greatest bass playing manic depressive. He made it cool to be a bass player. Then he went nuts.

    My recommendations:
    "The Chicken" Birthday Concert version
    "Dry Cleaner" Joni Mitchell shadows and light live version
    "Havona" Weather Report Heavy Weather album
    any version of "Continuum"