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Jacos bass - where?

clbolt said:
I never took Trujillo for being a bad guy. That honor would have to go to the a$$hat who knew he had Jaco's bass (and only paid $400 for it), and didn't return it to the family.

I don't know, you gotta understand he had some legal ground to stand on, I'm also curious if Jaco was still around would he not have then let it go.


IMO the only real bad guy in this story is the crook who ripped him off in the first place.
 
fourstringdrums said:
Well if the bass was refinished, are there still marks on it that would lead one to know that it was Jaco's? What does the back of the headstock say?

Can't remember word for word but I believe his name was on it. With other stuff.
It's online somewhere.

Makes me wonder was there ever really a guy who showed up and sold it for $400 but somehow completely missed that detail??

The shop owner could just as easily have fabricated that story and actually been the guy who originally stole it in the first place.
 
It's relieving to see the discussion of Trujillo being a bad guy Fade out.

this is a "non-issue": none ever said this. Trujillo is a pro, he's a whealty musician and does what he wants with his hard earned money; he is fully entitled to do it. In addition, surely the bass is better stored in that safe place as it is now.

But Trujillo is not a "saint" either: if he was, he would have just said to Felix "This is your dad's bass; treasure it jealously". He did not do that. No proof of this.

And don't tell me he did and the boy said "oh, no!", because it would have been very easy to answer "well, boy it's yours and it's stored at my place. When you want it, you'll have it back".

No: he signed an agreement in which they would pay the due amount to have back the bass. He's not the "bad guy" but not a "saint" either. Just standard business.

Did he do good? Yes, absolutely: the bass is taken the right care.
Is he a "bad guy"? Not at all.

My opinion.
 
Avezzano said:
this is a "non-issue": none ever said this. Trujillo is a pro, he's a whealty musician and does what he wants with his hard earned money; he is fully entitled to do it. In addition, surely the bass is better stored in that safe place as it is now.

But Trujillo is not a "saint" either: if he was, he would have just said to Felix "This is your dad's bass; treasure it jealously". He did not do that. No proof of this.

And don't tell me he did and the boy said "oh, no!", because it would have been very easy to answer "well, boy it's yours and it's stored at my place. When you want it, you'll have it back".

No: he signed an agreement in which they would pay the due amount to have back the bass. He's not the "bad guy" but not a "saint" either. Just standard business.

Did he do good? Yes, absolutely: the bass is taken the right care.
Is he a "bad guy"? Not at all.

My opinion.

Plenty of people WERE trying to paint his actions into being selfish.

Your right there is no proof he did that, NOR IS THERE ANY PROOF. THAT HE DIDN'T.

You have no clue if he didn't offer the family to just take the bass.

The fact of the matter is, he didn't have to do ANYTHING for them.

He selflessly did and did so w/o being asked.

So it would make completely sense that they same giving personality would also have been there throughout the process.

It makes ALOT more sense than assuming he just randomly became selfish once he got his hands on the prize. Lol get real.
He gifted them the means to be able to own the bass, it hardly seems like it was all a big secret plot for him to trick them into his ability to own it.
 
he didn't have to do ANYTHING for them.

man, none is saying a bad word about Robert: you say "selfish" etc. He sure did something good giving the family at least the opportunity to know where the bass is and he gives them some sort of priority whenever they have the money, ok?

But he is not any saint. He surely did something good. Can you be ok with this or you want to name him the holy man of the year or something?

NOR IS THERE ANY PROOF. THAT HE DIDN'T.

once again: there is a written agreement about the priority in case they have the money. That is different from saying "it's yours whenever you want to take it home". Money is money.

But you are right: neither I nor you know anything but what is written around. And most part surely is distorted: interpersonal relationships are often unspoken, unwritten, emotional etc.

If you ask me what would I have done I'll tell you: knowing* the mobile numbers of these people, I would have called Stanley Clarke, Pat Metheny, Wayne Shorter and at least other 100 people that would have easily gave a few hundred dollars to make the whole sum to have this bass go to the family. This is something none did.

EDIT: *read "given I knew". I am not a Pro and I don't even live in the Us!
 
What are you bored? Do you have nothing better to do? I don't think I've ever seen such a desperate attempt at fishing for an argument.
Who cares what I call the man for his actions?
Why does it bother you so much?

GET OVER IT.
Avezzano said:
man, none is saying a bad word about Robert: you say "selfish" etc. He sure did something good giving the family at least the opportunity to know where the bass is and he gives them some sort of priority whenever they have the money, ok?

Lol, he didn't tell them where the bass was, THEY (The Pastorious Family) well technically Bob Bobbing then the Family, told him, after telling him they'd been in a legal battle to get it back they were either not able or willing to continue obviously due to financial issues.
He then funded the expenses and obviously made it to where the case was won.

He couldn't have just randomly waltzed into the court flashing his wealth, they would have still themselves, continued the case (using) his money.
Therefor the bass would have been awarded to the Pastorious family NOT Trujillo through the court.

It appears that they must have felt humbled by his incredibly selfless act of kindness and relinquished ownership until they could get to a point that they could repay him. (Just assumption, but certainly not a stretch)





Avezzano said:
But he is not any saint. He surely did something good. Can you be ok with this or you want to name him the holy man of the year or something?
It's official Robert Trujillo is "The Holy Man of the year"
:D
Listen sugar britches, I'll name him whatever I'd like, if i want to refer to him as a saint for what he did, what business is it of yours?
The comment was a typed out expression of MY opinion NOT YOURS, what makes you think you get to dictate the label I decide to attach to him?
If I want to call him the pope, the virgin mother Mary, or freaking God in the flesh, it's my decision. If I want to say he's the peanut butter & jelly sandwich for what he did, I will.
I'll word my opinions how I see fit, you worry about your own.

Avezzano said:
once again: there is a written agreement about the priority in case they have the money. That is different from saying "it's yours whenever you want to take it home". Money is money.

Why do you think Trujillo is under some obligation to live up to your ideals of what's morally right or wrong?

He also could have just stayed out of it and sat back while they lost the legal battle to Brewster and the bass all together.
Brewster technically had a real good shot at keeping ownership from my understanding.

And that also may very well have been JPI's (Jaco Pastorious Inc.'s) decision to incorporate into the terms.
This isn't la la land bud, it's the real world, people make things legal especially here where lawyers were involved from the start from both JPI and Trujillo.




Avezzano said:
But you are right: neither I nor you know anything but what is written around. And most part surely is distorted: interpersonal relationships are often unspoken, unwritten, emotional etc.
No there's nothing surely distorted about it. For all you know it's verbatim fact for fact correct.
Stop just making things up to make yourself feel like you've won something.


Avezzano said:
If you ask me
I DIDN'T, And after discussing this with you, I WOULDN'T.


Avezzano said:
what would I have done I'll tell you: knowing the mobile numbers of these people,
Now you know the mobile # to these people?
Or are you simply claiming to know who's phone # Trujillo keeps in his Contacts???:D
You're a trip man.

Avezzano said:
I would have called Stanley Clarke, Pat Metheny, Wayne Shorter and at least other 100 people that would have easily gave a few hundred dollars to make the whole sum to have this bass go to the family.
I bet YOU would never have made it past the voicemail, only to be quickly deleted and blocked. :-)
Lol, why would Trujillo call hundreds of people when he, by himself has the means to do it?

Avezzano said:
This is something none did.
why do you keep saying none, in place of NO ONE?
It reads strange.
 
a desperate attempt at fishing for an argument.

You are wrong, I was just giving my opinion to one entry of yours that seemed uncorrect, to me (08:53) you replied, I replied and now you seem overreacting a bit! Relax, man: after all it is a forum; if you say something, then you have to accept somebody could not think as you think. There is no point going further, you're right.
 
Might not seem fair but, statute of limitations to prosecute were way past. It varies from state to state but, it's anywhere from 3-7 years.

I know, but I was responding to the post where it was said that what Trujillo did wasn't fair and that he should have done something else.

I'm a big fan of leaving peoples' things alone and for others to do the same.
 
Avezzano said:
You are wrong, I was just giving my opinion to one entry of yours that seemed uncorrect, to me (08:53) you replied, I replied and now you seem overreacting a bit! Relax, man: after all it is a forum; if you say something, then you have to accept somebody could not think as you think. There is no point going further, you're right.

Fair enough, especially considering were arguing over a simple word more or less.

Is Trujillo a saint for doing it. No not literally.
But then, keep in mind, my use of the word was not necessarily all that literal.

It was an exaggerated way of saying the guy did a good deed, and from everything I can find he did it completely unsolicited and out of the kindness of his heart & appreciation of one of his role models.

I'm not sure how much you've looked into the story, but I strongly feel if you took the time to really read into it, and I mean more than just the main article, you'd have a hard time disagreeing.

The court case was Brewster VS Jaco Pastorious Inc. , Trujillo simply made the needed funds available to the families legal team.
The bass would then have been awarded to none other than Jaco Pastorious Inc.

They would have had to essentially turn around and gift it to Trujillo or draw up an agreement giving them explicit rights to purchase it.

This whole situation was clearly a team effort between a group of family and friends, including JPI Jacos Children, grandchild/ grandchildren, Jaco's life long friend Bob Bobbing, and Robert Trujillo, and they all appear to be more than happy with the outcome.

It seems as though between them, their only motivation is the collective love & respect they held for Jaco.
It's a good story, full of good people that joined together to connect a lost piece of Jaco's legacy to its rightful place.
The family and Trujillo remain close from my understanding as well so does Bob Bobbing with all of them.

Even the shop owner Brewster who didn't want to let it go I just can't look at as a bad guy.
He had owned the bass for well over 2 years before the family was informed. He had plenty of legal right to keep the bass.
I understand he was made offers of up to $75,000 for it and refused.
Maybe he was holding out for a bigger pay out, or maybe he just really appreciated the history.
I don't know, and try not to judge because of that.

There's always the possibility he is actually the original thief too, which to me makes sense, as the man that sold it to him has yet to be identified that I've seen.
It'd be real convenient to have just held it for 20 years hoping that one day he could pull it out with s story and cash in. Who knows????

At the end of the day though, the bass is back in the hands of people that will do the right thing with it.



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