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Jaco's Bass

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by CanadianBassGuy, Jul 22, 2001.


  1. Aaron

    Aaron

    Jun 2, 2001
    Bellingham, WA
    if ya wanted a real jaco bass it would be an alder '62 defretted jazz with the pickguard removed and a bunch of crap put on the fretboard so his rotosound swing bass 66 strings don't eat it up.
     
  2. KillMary

    KillMary

    Jan 25, 2001
    Yeah I would think that a Jaco bass would at least be fretless...
     
  3. MJB

    MJB

    Mar 17, 2000
    FYI that's a Fender catalog model and any Fender dealer should be able to get you one.

    There's a difference between the Jaco "artist signature" bass and the Jaco "tribute bass" Custom shop relic.

    While Jaco is most known for his fretless work, he did own and play fretted basses as well.
     
  4. maimz

    maimz

    Jul 23, 2001
    Ontario, Canada
    yep......his bass was very ghetto looking and is exactly as "portrait" portrayed it to be......i have a good jaco video
    mr. canada....where are you maybe i can mail you a copy....great stuff..
     
  5. Kelvin

    Kelvin

    Apr 30, 2000
    Singapore.
    Apparently Jaco used 2 basses. A '60 and a '62. One fretted and one fretless.

    In his debut album, only "Portrait of Tracy" and "Come on, come over" were recorded on the fretted.
     
  6. i tried both the "tribute Jaco Bass" and the "Custom Shop Relic Jaco Bass."

    i must admit that the Relic is built way better than the Tribute bass.

    the stuff that is put on the Relic's fretboard is rock hard.

    there isn't a bass string in the world that could scratch it!!!

    it even sounded better than the Tribute (which has flatwounds on them).

    it even feels like a "used-by-Jaco-bass!"

    the volume and tone knobs kind of scratch the bass itself when they are turned

    and the tuners have rust on them, but i'm not sure if it is real.

    the strings look dirty too.

    to a regular person, this thing is ugly.

    but to all the Jaco heads out there, IT'S BEAUTIFUL...but the price tag still remains ugly.
     
  7. maimz

    maimz

    Jul 23, 2001
    Ontario, Canada
    personally i think its ridiculous to pay more for something that is beaten up....lets be honest hear..the true jaco legacy with his bass was the fact that it was him that made it so worn out cuz he was such a maniac on the bass.....i think that if you want that look to your bass you should earn it _on_ the bass by having the wear and tear legitimate....i mean...isnt there so much more pride in looking at an old bass and knowing that you were the one who brought it to that state...so then you can think about the time when you first realized that you played better with sweaty palms and fingers......we all know jaco was a _little_ bit "jacked" up most of the time......just look at the guy....his bass represented his personality wonderfully....he was a sight for most poeples sore eyes and so was his bass.....but i dont need to get involved in all the image crap.......yes an old fender jazz bass was his deal.....and damn i love that sound to no end....but believe me if i were to buy one i would go for the one that was in the best shape even if i could have the original that jaco played on....im just being realistic....to have to pay extra to get a reissue that is in less than good condition and may not even sound as chunky is dumb.....lets take a vote.....jaco reissue or an original 60' or 62' fender.......id be going for the original......just my 2 canadian pennies which isnt even 1 american penny so ill shut up......peace...also its not as if the stuff on jacos fretboard is from mars or anything.....i dont see that as being that tight of a feature.....peace...little robbie...who just picked up an EH small stone for 50 canadian dollars.....
     
  8. First off, the Relic is hand built in the Custom Shop, so it is a way better bass than the tribute. Second, obviously some of you guys have never had a real old Fender, or you would know that those thin coats of nitro-cellulose lacquer scratch real easy. Most all working basses are scratched up. If they're original finish, and they're mint, there's a reason, and that reason is my third point, that not all old Fenders are good. Back in those days, quality control was very different to what it is today. I've played old Fenders that are sweet, and I've played old Fenders that are dogs. Stands to reason that the good ones get played, and so get scratched. The dogs get put in the closet, only to be "discovered" 25 years later with nary a mark on them, still got the hang tags, hmmm...we should get $5000 or more for this puppy.
    Back to the first point, the dollars you are spending on a relic are not just for the rust, you are paying for a Fender that's way, way better. I have a friend with a relic Tele, and it's an awesome machine, you would not find a better Tele anywhere.
     
  9. basslax

    basslax

    Apr 20, 2000
    Washington, DC
    i hate changing the subject..but anyone know what amps he used?
     
  10. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    Acoustic 360 amps if I remember correctly.

    I even found a link:

    http://www.acoustic.mu

    but I don't know if it's a reissue or a new design with the old name
     
  11. bootyquake

    bootyquake

    Mar 29, 2001
    Washington, DC
    I got to test drive the Jaco Relic bass a couple years ago in New Jersey.

    It's rather expensive, close to $3000, if memory serves.

    It is one of the best fretless sounds I ever heard. Absolutely phenomenal.

    The salesman says, "You're trying to sound like Jaco, right." I said, "Well, kinda, I guess." He replied, "Come on, you'd love to have that sound--stop denying it." I said, "Yeah, OK. You're right." He quips, "There's the price tag. Now you know how to get that sound."

    Not everybody is trying to cop the Jaco sound--Zon and Furlanetto basses have a different, lively sound that works for some. But if you want the Jaco tone--and you know you want it at least sometimes--then this bass is the way to go.

    (Incidentally, I own a Pedulla 4-string, and it works great)
     
  12. maimz

    maimz

    Jul 23, 2001
    Ontario, Canada
    k so some of you say that an original fender jazz bass is not necessarily going to cop the jaco sound.....but the custom shop one is guaranteed to have that sound?
    on another note.....did he use flatwounds like bootsy? flatwounds i have noticed are great when you have a bandpass filter(wah) cuz it gives the filter more to .well..filter.....haha....i always wonder how good flatwounds would be on a 5 string? peace....
     
  13. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
     
  14. maimz

    maimz

    Jul 23, 2001
    Ontario, Canada
    in that case i will revert to my old opinion that this whole jaco reissue thing is a bunch of crap....if there are no guarantees why pay that kind of money for something that will not necessarily fulfill the hype.....i mean...honestly if there are so many factors in a basses sound which is something i wholeheartedly agree with then its the same old bunch corporate scum making money off of a dead man.....

    marty said:

    "not all old Fenders are good. Back in those days, quality control was very different to what it is today"

    ok well if this is true then it is not that big of a stretch to assume that all of the reissues will be of the upmost quality...and all be the same as the last one....right?

    thats all i was getting at brad....sorry to paraphrase a bit....

    Originally posted by maimz
    "k so some of you say that an original fender jazz bass is not necessarily going to cop the jaco sound.....but the custom shop one is guaranteed to have that sound? "

    brad said:
    "From what I read no one said that here. An original Fender Jazz is not guaranteed to sound like anything but what it is. They don't all sound alike. They can't."

    when did i say that all original fender jazz basses are guaranteed to sound alike> now your putting words in my mouth bro....i was stating the same thing as you ....and that is the fact that not all jazz basses will sound the same......plain and simple

    brad said:
    "A Custom Shop Jazz isn't guaranteed to sound like one particular thing either. "

    that is what i was wondering.....if this is the case then i firmly believe that it becomes a redundant product.....but of course they will not tell you that at the store......if you cannot be sure that you will get your full expectations out of a product then i dont think it should be purchased....on a side note....how close are the new american jazz basses when compared to the early models....

    thanks...little robbie....
     
  15. MJB

    MJB

    Mar 17, 2000
    Well little robbie, I'm afraid you miss the whole point of the Jaco bass. The point is to recreate a bass as close as possible to the one Jaco played, right down to the epoxy on the rosewood fretboard, while keeping it a great playing and sounding instrument. Fender makes no claims or guarantees that any bass is going to make you sound just like anybody. I own a Geddy Lee jazz. It does not make me sound like Geddy Lee and I never once dreamed for a minute that it would. I did, however, want the features that bass offers, most important of which to me is the neck profile, which you can't buy on any other Fender outside of the Custom Shop.

    The player who buys a Jaco bass does so for their own reasons, but I sincerely doubt many of them do because they really believe it will make them sound just like Jaco.

    The tone is in your hands, Jaco said that.

    And the good news is you don't have to buy anything you don't want to buy. :D
     
  16. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    You know, for a minute I actually thought about responding to this, then I saw the nonsense about putting words in your mouth so I think my short answer will suffice:

    Don't buy one, little robbie... and don't worry, Fender will be okay:rolleyes:

    Geez.
     
  17. Hi Robbie,

    The whole idea of the relic Jaco bass is sort of a remembrance or nostalgic thing people do to Jaco. It's like an art for people to appreciate. I'm assuming when people get the relic issue, they're probably not going to use it too much. Cause what's the point in getting all those "wear" re-created authentically and wear 'em more yourself. You know what I mean? The "wear" and the "rust" is the art; or an appreciation thing people do to Jaco. Heck, if you think that way, then don't buy them.

    If you show someone who's never understood the priceless value of picasso's art, the minute they saw one, they're not gonna understand it cost hundreds of thousands of dollar!! But to a collector, it's a different story.
     
  18. As a side note, when JP was in his downhill slide period, he used any bass he could borrow, 'cos his Fenders were always in the pawnshop. There are photos around of him playing all sorts of stuff.
     
  19. maimz

    maimz

    Jul 23, 2001
    Ontario, Canada
    arvidgunardi said:

    "If you show someone who's never understood the priceless value of picasso's art, the minute they saw one, they're not gonna understand it cost hundreds of thousands of dollar!! But to a collector, it's a different story""

    ok....that is as valid as it gets.....and that is in tune with what i was saying.....if i was to recreate a pablo picasso painting in my factory and call it the pablo picasso tribute.......i would get laughed at!!

    also a reissue isnt worth a damn thing to a collector....you think the real jaco bass would be as cheap to buy as the tribute bass.......not in a million years.....the person selling it wouldnt let that happen.

    now onto the companies doing this crap.....all it does is hype up a product and in all this hype it makes the original fender jazz basses worth way more......cuz like i said the original whether it is jacos or not will be valued more than anything that just popped off the line.....

    peace....btw....how do i quote and have it bolded...and brad...is it really necessary to hightlight my whole post ....or is that the only way a quote can be used?