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Jazz recordings to help a player become "legit"

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by Bardolph, Mar 4, 2005.

  1. Bardolph


    Jul 28, 2002
    Grand Rapids, MI
    I'm looking for some all around good recordings/CDs to get down the jazz standards and transcribe some solos and walking lines. I already have some stuff by Ray Brown and Charles Mingus. What are the must-haves in terms of building up a gig-worthy repertoire? I do play my fair share of real book gigs, but I'd like to be hip to all the well known intros, endings, changes etc.
  2. grovest


    Feb 26, 2002
    If you don't mind something that's more "instruction" than "entertainment", the Aebersold stuff is pretty popular. http://www.aebersold.com/
  3. Chick Corea - Akoustic Band
    Harvey Mason - With All My Heart
    Anything from Bob James

    Something to get you started.
  4. If you havent put this in your collection, do so:

    Miles Davis - Kind of Blue

    Listen to Paul Chambers. On your headphones and listen to it before you go to sleep. If you plan on playing jazz bass, those are all songs (with maybe the exception of Flamenco Sketches) you will play one time or another.
  5. burk48237

    burk48237 Supporting Member

    Nov 22, 2004
    Oak Park, MI
    Miles Davis: Round Midnight, Milestones, Someday My prince will come, Kinda Blue,
    John Coltrane: My favorite things, Giant Steps,Blue train
    Sonny Rollins: Tenor Madness, Saxophone Collussus
    Oscar Petterson: Night Trane
    Thelonious Monk:Misterioso,Straight No Chaser, Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane, Brilliant Corners
    Art Blakely and the Jazz Messengers: Caravan
    Chet Baker: My Funny Valentine
    These 16 Cd's are loaded with real book standreds and each one of them has art least 2 in some cases 4 standreds on them, They'll deffinently get you started. PS if you can walk over the changes in Giant Steps (Coltranes version) your Ready! As far as newer Albums with real book tunes two of the best are Chick Corea and Return to Forever "Light as a Feather" and Pat Metheny Group self titled both have got some recognized standreds. Both Keith Jarret and Bill Evans in there trio albums do a lot of other peoples standreds, not to mention Scott Lefaro's bass playing on the Evans albums!
  6. burk48237

    burk48237 Supporting Member

    Nov 22, 2004
    Oak Park, MI
    Bernie, I know thats great Music. but is any of that stuff in the real book or what you would call standreds?, Just asking.
  7. ... It's been 4 posts and NOBODY has mentioned Jaco. For shame. Pick up his self titled and never look back at your past, that is... if you don't already have it and my input is completely unneeded.
  8. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    That's : "Fusion" - not 'legit' Jazz!! ;)
  9. Hey Burk,

    Yeah, they all have standards on them. From memory they have:

    Chick Corea: Autumn Leaves - Sophisticated Lady - Someday My Prince Will Come

    Harvey Mason: Smoke Gets in Your Eyes. Not alot of standards on this one but a virtual clinic on double bass.

    Bob James does alot of standards on his solo albums.
  10. DaveBeny


    Mar 22, 2000
    London, UK
    If you want to build up your jazz repertoire, you can't really go wrong by investigating many of the classic Blue Note label albums of the '50s and '60s. Go for the remastered 'Rudy Van Gelder' editions - they can usually be had cheap (I have a few dozen bought at £5 a piece).

    Artists to look for include:

    Horace Silver
    Joe Henderson
    Art Blakey
    Herbie Hancock
    Lee Morgan
    Wayne Shorter
    Andrew Hill
    Freddie Hubbard
    Larry Young
    Jackie Mclean

    ...and many others.

    Miles Davis's 'Miles Smiles' is packed with tunes that any jazz player is going to need to know
  11. :rollseyes: I <3 fusion then? haha
  12. basss

    basss Supporting Member

    Aug 27, 2001
    Get all the Miles Davis recordings on the Prestige record label. He made these with the "First Quintet" featuring John Coltrane, Red Garland, Mr. P.C. and Philly Joe Jones. Just about all of the tunes on these recordings are considered standards and they all get called on gigs. The style is straight ahead bebop and this band did a lot to codify that sound.
  13. paintandsk8

    paintandsk8 Pushin' my soul through the wire...

    May 12, 2003
    West Lafayette, IN
    Get sirius satellite radio and listen to channels 70, 72, 73, and 75 ;). (75 is dedicated "standards" channel)
  14. Stachio

    Stachio Supporting Member

    Jan 29, 2002
    When I started lessons I listened to a lot of Bill Evans, Keith Jarrett, Miles, Sonny Rollins, Wes Montgomery...most of those can be found in the Real Book.
    Some Jaco made it in there...I recall Birdland and Teentown
    I heard they're making a legit version of it...I may be the last one to know as usual. :crying:
  15. Planet Boulder

    Planet Boulder Hey, this is a private residence...man

    Nov 10, 2001
    6,482 feet above sea level
    I once had impure thoughts. Oh, and I pluck my ear hair.
    Freddie Hubbard - "The Straight Life". Some sick playing by Ron Carter
  16. zombywoof5050


    Dec 20, 2001
  17. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    In terms of building up a gig worthy repertoire I would work more on learning how to create your own line and less on regurguitating other peoples material. Working on your ears is going to be a much better guide to "well known intros, endings, changes, etc." than trying to memorize a bunch of stuff that may never come up on the stand. It's not going to do you any good to memorize/transcribe Miles' arrangement of BYE BYE BLACKBIRD if the piano player calls it in Ab as a waltz with an extended Afro Cuban vamp on Abminormaj7.

    You can work on developing your appraoch AND a repertoire at the same time by using the Aebersold recordings without looking at the book. Start with tunes you have heard enough that you can at least sing the melody to. Find the key center of the Aebersold recording and teach yourself the melody. After you can play the melody through (go ahead and just play it every chorus of the Aebersold recording {AR from now on, OK?}), THEN go to the book and see how close you are to the actual (don't look at the changes yet). Then go through the AR and try to identify root movement, then chord quality. By this point you will have internalised the melody and are working on using your EAR to get you through a chord progression. If you get stuck on chord quality, see if the melody note gives you any clues. Finally, after you can play through the tune with the melody and your closest estimation as to what the harmony is, look at the changes as written. See what the differences are - you may have "heard" a substitution or an inversion of the written harmony.

    There are a number of AR's that would be good to grab repertoire from - BLUE NOTE CLASSICS, JAM SESSION STANDARDS, ALL BALLADS etc etc. are going to be a little more useful than the specific composer ones, at least to start. Your typical gig or session might include 1 or 2 Woody Shaw tunes, but not 6.
  18. Bardolph


    Jul 28, 2002
    Grand Rapids, MI
    Your reply is well noted, Ed. I know I won't get anywhere in the jazz scene just being an immitator. I am constantly trying to pick up stuff on my own and listen for changes and come up with my own ideas. The area I feel I fall short in is finding out what all the great players did before me. I don't necessarily want to find stuff just to memorize and regurgitate it, but rather to see the approaches other players have taken on it. I can't count the number of times I've listened to a jazz recording and heard some really simple lick or line and say to myself, "well how come I never thought of that?" I'd just like to be the kind of 'hip' player where someone on a gig says "Hey, do you know the Monk intro (or whatever) to this?" and I'll be able to say yes.