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jazzy riff and concept

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by yasdee, Nov 9, 2001.


  1. yasdee

    yasdee

    Nov 7, 2000
    i didnt really understand the concept of jazz even after hours of time listening to some jazz stuff.....
    well unlike blues stuff that you can really spot its fundamental........walking riff usually produce a good jazz riff but understanding the fundamental would be a great help in developing a really good jazzy riff and it is still a mistery for me...any advice.???tq....:confused:
     
  2. Not exactly sure what you are looking for when you say "riff".


    note:
    Using caps, sentence structure and punctuation might improve the clarity of your question.
     
  3. Lovebown

    Lovebown

    Jan 6, 2001
    Sweden
    Learn about the chords and the scales, then analyze a jazz song you like (or get a written transcription of it). View how the chord changes work and what melody is line is played over and listen carefully for the bass and what it's doing.

    Besides that you can try to find a jazz teacher or rent/buy books who cover jazz theory and just listen to jazz music in general, good luck...

    /lovebown
     
  4. BassMan2000

    BassMan2000

    Sep 27, 2000
    Canada
    I'm sick and tired of people, who post oh you got spelling mistakes learn english. Give the guy a break.



    As for these jazz riffs? You speak about? I'm a jazz bass player in a univeristy jazz band. I don't understand what you mean by this? Do you mean how the walking lines are structured? Or ?
     
  5. Who said anything about spelling????? Or learning english????? I was asking him to take the time to make his question clear. As I said in another post, if someone can't take the time to pose a question clearly, why should folks take the time to answer?

    I'm not talking about people who are struggling with English as a second language. I'm talking about the chatroom style of "cool", unintelligible, run on b.s.
    Apparently you had trouble understanding him as well.
     
  6. Wow. You've, like, listened to Jazz for HOURS and stuff? :p

    Seriously, you'll find info on walking basslines pretty easy to come by: look in lessons here on TB. Search for walk. Big Hint: they're mostly based on modes.

    Or just copy a few easy walking basslines from whatever record you're listening to. Pay attention to when they're playing the 1 or 5 of the current chord, then listen to what notes they use to get from one chord's 1 or 5 to the next. That is, the passing tones.

    If you haven't yet, learn at least Ionian (regular major), Dorian, and Mixolydian mode scales. Then listen for the signature notes of each mode in the passing tones of the basslines.

    Now get out and start copping lines!

    --funky_monkey
     
  7. BassMan2000

    BassMan2000

    Sep 27, 2000
    Canada
    Yes I did Joe. I had a difficult understanding his concept on jazz riffs. Jazz riffs? Does he mean how the walk bass lines in swing? Look for Paul Chambers hes an excellent bass player.
     
  8. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY

    2001:A BASS ODDITY,

    I'm not surprised that you're "sick and tired of people, who post oh you got spelling mistakes learn english". Given the structure of your complaint, one can only assume that you've been on the receiving end of that particular type of reply a time or two in the past. And with good reason, from the looks of it...:rolleyes:

    The long and short of it is that YAHTZEE'S post made no sense at all, and I'm completely with JOE-JAONMYMIND on this one. It is ridiculous to expect someone to take the time to try to post a coherent answer to a question that is essentially an incoherent pile of gibberish. In addition, if people were to fill in their profiles, we might be able to more easily distinguish between those whose communication skills are suffering because English is not their primary language (which is entirely excusable) and those whose posts make no sense because they choose to cut ENGLISH 101 and hang out back at the dorm with a bong and a stack of KoRn records (which is not).
     
  9. Exactly. So isn't all the good advice you and others gave him kind of wasted? Yasdee's is not the worst post I've seen, it just showed up on a day when there seemed to be a lot of them. In retrospect, it's like teaching a pig to sing to give folks advice on "how" to post. I guess I had reached my limit.


    Durrl, thanks for the backup. Signal to noise "radio" a bit high lately.[​IMG]
     
  10. BassMan2000

    BassMan2000

    Sep 27, 2000
    Canada
    Well, my only real excuse for typeing the way I did was lack of sleep. I'm usually busy during the day, and have very little time to go on the computer. I was just kinda lashing out. Sorry Chris and Joe.


    Well he could of structured his sentence even worse.


    I r dun know about jazz pwease tech me how t r play bass on jazz.
     
  11. BassMan2000

    BassMan2000

    Sep 27, 2000
    Canada
    Oh and the most ironic part about this whole spelling and english 101 thing. Is I major in music and english.
     
  12. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Which is why people tend to suspect that it's really just laziness.

    If questioners expect a considered reply then they should put forward a well-considered and thought-out question - otherwise why should people take the time to answer?

    I think the truest things in life is that you only get out as much as you put in and if you put little effort in, you get a correspondingly low result.

    The suspicion is that there is a generation coming though who want something for nothing and that they have some sort of right to respect and to get everything spoon-fed to them rather than having to earn those rights.