Jimmy Johnson or Dave Carpenter w/Holdsworth

Discussion in 'Bassists [BG]' started by MALucas, Jun 2, 2019.

  1. MALucas


    May 22, 2017
    For those of you who like Jimmy Johnson and/or Dave Carpenter, and you like Allan Holdsworth’s music.... who would you prefer to listen to on the low end? Both are fantastic...
  2. Sid Fang

    Sid Fang Reformed Fusion Player

    Jun 12, 2008
    I was a huge Holdsworth fan and saw him many times (including with Soft Machine when I was a kid). "Flim" Johnson is the one bassist I associate most strongly with him. I'm far less familiar with his later work with Carpenter - the last time I saw Holdsworth play with his own group was at Ronnie Scott's in London, and I think it was Skuli Sverrisson on bass at the time. So, for me, if I have to answer the question posed, Jimmy Johnson all the way.
  3. MALucas


    May 22, 2017
    Skúli plays one of if not the best solo I’ve ever heard on Holdsworth’s Hard Hat Area cd.... Low Levels, High Stakes is the time..... brilliant phrasing all the way through!
  4. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    Jeff Berlin with Holdsworth ain't bad, either.
    Gary Willis, too.

    The 1st bassist I associate with Holdsworth, though, is JJ.
    (FWIW, the 1st drummer I associate with Holdsworth is Wackerman)
  5. chaak


    Apr 25, 2013
    now here
    Jimmy Johnson definitely
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  6. Bob_Ross

    Bob_Ross Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 29, 2012
    I only learned about Dave Carpenter long after he passed, and I'm not sure I could even name a Holdsworth album he played on. What tracks would you recommend to get some DC under my ears? [edit: I've heard a bunch of live stuff on youtube w/ DC and AH, just wondering which albums he's on?]
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  7. jerry

    jerry Too old for a hiptrip Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 13, 1999
    I couldn't pick one, I've dug them all. Like Holdsworth's drummers, they were all badass and created art of the highest level.
    P.S. don't forget Haslip's tenure either.
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  8. gebass6

    gebass6 We're not all trying to play the same music. Supporting Member

    Jimmy Johnson.
  9. RickC


    Jun 9, 2005
    Jimmy Johnson for sure
  10. JW56789

    JW56789 Guest

    Feb 18, 2017
    The Double J. Who else could play with huge Prog chops with Allan Holdsworth, then make a 180 and own the James Taylor catalog?
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  11. Afc70

    Afc70 We’re only immortal for a limited time Supporting Member

    Feb 2, 2004
    Northeast Arkansas
    Jimmy Johnson.. I’m a huge fan of Anthony Crawford’s playing with Holdsworth as well.
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  12. Rev J

    Rev J

    Jun 14, 2012
    Berkeley, Ca.
    Stanley Clarke:

    Rev J
  13. MALucas


    May 22, 2017
    A live show from ‘98 is going to be released on June 14th. Carpenter and Gary Novak team up with Allan in a Trio format in Warsaw, Poland.... Dave plays electric on this gig and lays down a nice solo on the tune Sixteen Men of Tain... also some nifty work on Proto Cosmos. It’ll be a cd/dvd combo release!
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  14. 4001

    4001 Inactive

    Sep 29, 2004
    Lake County, IL
    Jimmy Johnson

    Sixteen Men of Tain is a great album though and Carpenter's playing on both electric and upright is stellar all the way through.

    Dave Carpenter is the bass player that is asked by Buddy Rich on one of those famous rant tapes (that I won't post here because I'll get a warning) "what kind of setting you got on the bass tonight"....
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  15. 4001

    4001 Inactive

    Sep 29, 2004
    Lake County, IL
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  16. Manticore

    Manticore Supporting Member

    Feb 27, 2016
    SoCal and PNW
    Both are fantastic. Of the two noted, however, JJ is my preference.

    I was fortunate to see Allen live many times, with a number of different bassists, including JJ. That said the two occasions I saw Allen with Jeff Berlin and Bill Bruford are by far my picks for a superior performance. Together, Jeff and Bill were uniquely complementary of Allen's singularly angular style.
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  17. slagheap

    slagheap Supporting Member

    Dec 23, 2011
    i would never throw shade on either of them, but for me, it's johnson. " metal fatigue " was my intro to holdsworth.
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  18. cnltb


    May 28, 2005
    I remember being really excited when ging to a Holdsworth gig and realising that Johnson was going to be on bass.
    That said...Carpenter was good in other ways - when I saw the band he was told off for not playing enough root notes..funny that!( not sure how many beers Holdsworth had had by that time).
    16men of Tain may well be my favourite Holdsworth album overall and I really enjoy Carpenter's playing on that album!

    In terms of which bassist I consider the most interesting one today-playing, musical choices etc; That'd be Skuli Sverrisson...by a country mile.
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  19. MALucas


    May 22, 2017
    I was introduced to Skúli through Hard Hat Area.... That guy has serious skills!
  20. MALucas


    May 22, 2017
    I’m not sure what Skúli is into these days... what he’s involved with etc... but Hard Hat is a sick piece of work!