JOZEF BARTOSZEK ever hear about him ?

Discussion in 'Basses [DB]' started by C.Veltman, May 27, 2002.

  1. Hi,
    found this little polish lady. Built by
    Jozef Bartoszek. Found nothing on the net...
    Ever hear about him ?
    The sticker inside says :
    Zokopane, Osiedle sobczakáwka 3c
    Czianek Stawarzyenia Policize Artystow Lutnikow

    Laurnat :
    Miedzynaradowega Konkursu Lutniczego W Liege (Ziofy medal)

    Miedzynaradowega Lutniczego W H Wieniawskiega

  2. anonymous0726

    anonymous0726 Guest

    Nov 4, 2001
    This looks a lot like a German bass that a few guys have here in town. Hans Glawishnig being one. The varnish on yours is a lot lighter and the bass looks considerably newer than Hans's. The bass has a very dark sound? It's Hungarian?
  3. Joe Taylor

    Joe Taylor

    Dec 20, 2001
    Tracy CA
    Nice Bass! An elegant lady for sure.
  4. Hello Ray,
    if the sticker is correct (I believe so)
    the bass is made in Poland.
    There is also a small handwriting on the sticker
    that says :" Korekty .........1970"
    That is it has been repaired 1970
    likely in Poland as it´s polish text.

    The bass is likely around +-70years
    old. My wonderings were about the luthier
    JOZEF BARTOSZEK. Maybe someone had a little information about him as he obviously was
    granted a gold medal for his work
    at a competition in Liege France.

    No, it´s not on the darker side tonally
    rather the opposit.
    It´s not unkommon for instruments to reasemble the work of other builders.
    Just think about all the millons of Stradivari
    violins. Although this is hardly the case with this bass, builders of basses can and have been
    copying the work of other masterluthiers.
    I have no clue about the "designer" of the polish bass, only the builder. It could be these basses
    were imported to the US and resold as German...
    Tricks of the trade...just like the many white instruments imported to Italy from Germany...

  5. Jeff Bollbach

    Jeff Bollbach Jeff Bollbach Luthier, Inc.

    Dec 12, 2001
    freeport, ny
    Strangely, Henley's Universal Dictionary of Violin & Bow makers list no entry for him. I say strangely because if he was awarded a gold in France he would not be an unknown, and Henley's book is pretty thourough.
  6. Hi Ray and friends,
    after looking at the bass for the last couple of days I believe
    Rays asumtion can be just as correct as my own
    regarding it´s history !

    First, the luthiers location in Zacopane(Poland) is very close to Germany.
    Secondly the sticker is placed on the opposit place and not were builders commonly
    place it.This and the fact
    that the sticker reads repaired 1970 makes it fully possible that
    it´s a German built instrument but repaired in Poland....??? Could only have been repaired
    by JOZEF BARTOSZEK.....??

    The search goes on...

  7. anonymous0726

    anonymous0726 Guest

    Nov 4, 2001
    Here're a couple photos of Hans and his bass. The best that I could find on the net for you.
  8. anonymous0726

    anonymous0726 Guest

    Nov 4, 2001
    One more. I dont know if there is enough bass visible to help in your search or not.
  9. Thanks a lot Ray :))
    Very kind of you !

    I am going to try to take a picture from the same
    angle and compare but my intial feeling is
    they are not so simular.

  10. Dr. George Hyde

    Dr. George Hyde

    Dec 16, 2008
    I bought a cello from Bartoszek while I was living in Poland in the 1970s. It is an excellent instrument whihc I am looking at even as I write. He told me then that he was specialising in basses. In the eighties he emigrated to Austria (I think Graz) and I lost touch with him. A curious little quirk of my cello is a small knot hole mark on the front, which does not affect the playing in any way, and I remember him complaining that under communism his choice of materials was a bit restricted. I have at least one book with a reference to him: he is by no means unknown. The instrument was professionally valued at £7000 in the mid-eighties.
    Dr. George Hyde
  11. Bass Barrister

    Bass Barrister

    Nov 4, 2004
    I'm not sure that the OP is even following this thread from 2002 but, in the interest of building our knowledge base and my personal interest in Polish luthiery, here goes . . .

    Current day Polish luthier Jan Szlachtowski studied with Josef Bartoszek in Zakopane. I've played two of Jan's cellos offered for sale in Chicago ($12k to $16k) and found them to be wonderful instruments. Jan is part of the Cracovia workshop in Nowy Targ ("New Market"). ZPAL, the association of Polish luthiers currently lists about 110 members on their website, including some who work both in the US and in Poland. Bronek Cison, Jan Bobak, and Rysard Florek all have addresses around Chicago and Szlachtowski spent some time here working for W H Lee. These folks make some very nice vilins and cellos but I do not know if any has made a double bass.

    A little story about Polish luthiery in general: