My birthday is the day after Christmas and what do i (eventually) find hanging on the wall in the place of my Dano DC but a new Jay Turser black Beatle bass. Nice! It was my wife's surprise gift. I thought all i got was U2's new CD and was pretending to be thrilled by that (and not very well) when i finally noticed the black beauty. It turns out my wife and my best friend conspired to get this. She had seen the Rogue in my many MF catalogues but he talked her into the JT. He is also in another band with a guy who has the Rogue and after trying out mine said he's sure the JT is better. I know i prefer the Turser name to the other but in fairness they might be same guitar. They settled on black because my wife preferred it and she said after all i'm not Sir Paul. My friend agreed the black looked very cool and maybe didnt try as hard to be what it wasnt. I'm still a little torn on the issue but it is impressive. I put Thomastiks(?) flats on it and plays and sounds great. I have a JT acoustic guitar and that has the same easy action. t does not sound "short scale" like my Musicmaster. It's full and bouncy, just like what's his name's. Picture shows me in an obvious PM pose.