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Just learned Ramble on & Good Times Bad Times...

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by Joe Nerve, Dec 11, 2002.

  1. Joe Nerve

    Joe Nerve Supporting Member

    Oct 7, 2000
    New York City
    Endorsing artist: Musicman basses

    Those are bass parts worth diving into. Zep has jumped to #1 on my fav band list again. John Paul Jones created god-like bass parts and played them with sooooooo much heart and soul.

    We've been through this before, but what's with these new bands? Are there ANY that have bass players really worth learning from, listening to??? I don't never hear nuthin like dat there zeppelin bass boy no more. No sireeee!

    Except FieLdY of course.


    Nov 21, 2002
    You might want to check out the GRAND FUNK RAILROAD CD (ON TIME) their fist album.there is a track on there called T.N.U.C. has great bass by mel shacher. one of my favs along with ramble on.
  3. mchildree

    mchildree Supporting Member

    Sep 4, 2000
    Agreed....But....It's not just the "new" bassists.

    Younger bands in general aren't doing anything to break new ground, just towing the line the record industry dictates....which is go by the formula, and create plain-vanilla dreck that's easily digested by the unwashed masses. But then again, that blame falls mostly back on the consumers....if they aren't willing to take chances, the industry surely won't.
  4. Groovski


    Sep 20, 2002
    My happy place
    Ahh, but then you have old guys (like me) that growd up listening to Zeplin, Grand Funk, Rush, Beatles, ect... that have an ear for a different sound. Much like in the late 60's & 70's where you had to sound different or you didn't make it.
    My band has a really different sound. All of the labels love us but don't know how to market us because we don't sound like someone else.
    Anywho, Listen to some Wide Spread Panic, Government Mule, Phish or bands that are more underground bands for the now-a-days good lines. Thats my oppinion and it oughta be yours ;)
  5. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    I grew up on bass as a youngster playing Zeppelin basslines and they really do teach you something about music as well as being great lines that are fun to play. Not much else comes close to being as interesting in the rock genre.
  6. mchildree

    mchildree Supporting Member

    Sep 4, 2000
    Ahhh Groovski, you mention some good stuff. I've been a huge Mule fan (and a fan of Warren and Allen) since the beginning. But, to my ear, they pretty much pay homage to the classic '60s and '70s power trios like Mountain, Cream, Trower, etc. Different for "now", but not so different for "then". Even so, this is stuff where bassists actually create instead of ape guitar lines, and guitar players can handle many roles.

    By the way, I'm 5 years older than you are ;)
  7. Slater

    Slater Leave that thing alone. Supporting Member

    Apr 17, 2000
    The Great Lakes State
    Two of my favorite Zep. tunes to play. Now try What Is And What Should Never Be.
  8. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    Bruce & me both "grew up" playing thru the Led Zeppelin Complete Songbook. It was that Summer of '74 when I literally practiced/played about 12 hours a day with that book. ;)

    It takes some chops to get thru both those tunes, Joe.
    All those 1/16ths on the chorus to "Ramble On"...you can tell JPJ is 'jammimg the part' as there's some variance between each pass.
    And there's some Jamerson-esque stuff goin' on in "Good Times".

    "Les Claypool is very cool....which is very sloppy".
  9. BTW, in England he was known as the "Motown/Stax" specialist.

    John Paul Jones, possibly the most underappreciated musician in rock.
  10. 5stringDNA


    Oct 10, 2002
    Englewood, CO
    Agreed on just about evvery said up to this point. I'm still a rookie bassist (a mere 18) and I have only been able to get the verse to Ramble on so far..the chorus is still too hectic...My fingers can move that fast, but not that smoothly yet...I WILL learn the Lemon Song one of these days! My fav modern bass line to play at the moment is Soul to Squeeze by Flea..not that hard but fun stuff.
  11. yawnsie


    Apr 11, 2000
    Two great lines there. I still love pulling off that little bass solo on Good Times Bad Times at the end of the first verse.

    As for the lack of skillful modern bassists... may I shamelessly promote myself? www.blyndzenth.com ;) :D
  12. Joe Nerve

    Joe Nerve Supporting Member

    Oct 7, 2000
    New York City
    Endorsing artist: Musicman basses
    your shameless self promotion is bringing you shame as your link GOES NOWHERE!!!!!!!!! I'd like to check it out, if you fix the link.
  13. zombywoof5050


    Dec 20, 2001
  14. I just bought the 10CD Set of the Led Zeppelin Complete Recordings.

    The Ramble On song, have this annoying click throughout the whole song, besides the time when there's actually a drum in the song. Its like, a spoiled CD! just that the click are on beat... :scowl:
  15. NJL


    Apr 12, 2002
    San Antonio
    i have to play "ramble on" on upright with my tuesday night gig...it's really fun!

  16. johnvice


    Sep 7, 2004
    “ John Paul Jones created god-like bass parts and played them with sooooooo much heart and soul.”

    He is the my favorite all-time bass player and my inspiration in becoming a bass and keyboard player.

    We've been through this before, but what's with these new bands? Are there ANY that have bass players really worth learning from, listening to???

    There was an interesting bit in this month’s BassGuitar mag, an excerpt of an interview from Jack Bruce (actually a reprint from 1990). Jack sez that the record companies don’t like the idea of bands that are very superior and very different. How many Creams, Led Zeppelins, and Hendrix’s are there out there ? Bad example in some ways because musical geniuses like the above mentioned come around once in a life time.

    Geniuses aside, what about moderately gifted musicians and song writers ? In the 1970s, you could hear a new song on the radio and be able to say right away “That’s Chicago, or Styx, or Journey, or Bad Company or….”

    With the bar for song writing and musicianship set so low, record companies can pull a “The Making of the band” and pull a boy band or a Britney Spears out of a “talent” search, teach them the basics and the record company dies literally everything else.

    The only problem is it all sounds the same.

    Record companies may cry the blues about file sharing killing music sales, I would contend that homogeneous, mediocre-at-best music ahs already done that!

    “Except FieLdY of course.”

    I was never a Korn fan but Fieldy can play. I read in an article by him (“You Want for me to slap you”) that the ebst way to practice slapping was on your steering wheel whilst driving. He was right as my slapping improved dramatically by doing this !

    “Bruce & me both "grew up" playing thru the Led Zeppelin Complete Songbook. It was that Summer of '74 when I literally practiced/played about 12 hours a day with that book.”

    I bought that book in about 1978 and learned every song in the book. While they’re not transcriptions per se, it was enough o get me started.

    “BTW, in England he was known as the "Motown/Stax" specialist.”

    IF you like JPJ’s playing you should get the Mowtown boxed set vol (James Jamerson was the primary bassist) and the Stax/Volt complete singles boxed set (Duck Dunn was the primary bassist).
  17. Hey,

    There ARE some pretty inventive bassists around. I mean, even in the eighties...Steve Harris from Iron Maiden was a wonderfully creative bassist (and yes as they progressed he started to just do galloping roots instead of his great bass fills/lines, but he still composed and wrote/writes nearly all of their material, lyrics and music).

    As for more recently, what about Les Claypool who took some "fancy" techniques, sloppied them up in some inventive ways. and made great thematic bass lines to fit some funny/interesting song themes.

    Don't underestimate metal players, either. There are some great ones, simple guys like Cliff Burton to more advanced wankers like Alex Webster.

    I'm forgetting a handful of fine examples which have slipped my mind and would probably better suit the argument, but seriously there are guys inventing...theres just a couple of differences:

    they dont have the same songwriting sense that changed entire genres (which requires an equally inventive band, unless you're jimi hendrix, and even he had some of my favorite musician's ever in his experience)

    they dont have the great open market for their inventiveness like Zeppelin had...mostly because zeppelin took the rock that was coming into the mainstream and used some blues and some sympathetic major-toned hooks to draw people in...and the tight-jeans.

    in order to be different AND genius with all the **** being thrown arround now with all the bands (dilution, maybe)...they have to be alienating in some way, and stick themselves in the underground...related to the last point, wherein marketing teams for big record labels dont jive with this stuff

    Lastly...the bands like Experience and Zeppelin made it with inventiveness because they were in Britain...got hooked by a good label...were experts at their craft of songwriting...had great stage performances...took hold of their labels balls with their success and greatness...and all that was just enough to let their inventive music to pass through and be recognized.

    Thats just an abbreviated 2 pence...

  18. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    Right, it was not a 'transcription' book(I almost wish it were!), it was a "Song Book".
    It did make me(& I assume, Bruce & you) work at it by using ears & eyes to get through it. Fun times.
  19. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA
    Yeah, you guys are acting like there hasn't been a single good bassist since JPJ... he's good... but c'mon.
  20. It's even funnier because there were so many bassists back then who could groove and improvise lines like no tomorrow. From Jamerson to the dude from Big Brother and the Holding Co. to Jack Bruce and Cassady and Geezer...must I continue? And that was only at the end of THAT decade.

    Nowadays there are tons of good bassists...but alas not in the most popular bands. That may be the suggestion here. Well...when popular music used to include such people as Janis Joplin, Marvin Gaye, Jimi Hendrix, and Carlos Santana (not just as a nostalgic piece), and now it includes such great voices as Britney Spears, Snoop Dogg (yo...I will let you knwo that I enjoy Snoop to no end, but not the most skilled "musician"), and touted for creativity are the likes of Oasis and Coldplay :/...well there is a little bit of concern there.

    JPJ was a solid creative bassist. But he was ONE solid creative bassist.

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