after watching the live RATM DVD and listening to Juan Nelson on Live from Mars, I've decided I want that sound! I'm not sure what octaver Tim (from Rage) is using but I know Juan is using the Boss. those of you that have that pedal or any other octaver tell me how you use yours, like in what context? I thought it would be cool for bridges, or when playing with a single guitar during a solo or something to try and fatten things up. I know once I get it I'm gonna want to over use it at first. anyone got any pointers on when not to use it?