Just Strung BEAD

Discussion in 'Strings [BG]' started by Brendan, Nov 29, 2001.

  1. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR
    Well, after a little string breaking last night, I decided to go ahead and bite the bullet. I'm detuned 100% of the time. Two whole sets of strings haven't seen EADG, and I'm clacking horribly with the strings I was using, so I went out and bought a 5er set of Fenders (Mostly because they were the highest mass I could get at my local guitar store). Then, I filed the nut down a but, and now, Bang, ADGC. It's pretty heavy, but it's killer. THe lows are just a punch in the gut. When my guitarist gets off his lazy butt, it's going up to CGCF, but untill then, I'm open A. It's a lot of fun actually, but I'm getting used to the B string. I like this setup alot. And, the action is pretty decent, so I have yet to have to adjust the truss rod, though a couple days of playing will see if it in fact will be adjusted.

    Just letting you know how much fun big sounds are.
  2. lo-end


    Jun 15, 2001
    *furby voice on*
    biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig sound!
    *furby voice off*
  3. I'm confused. Are you now tuned ADGC or BEAD?

  4. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR
    Strung BEAD .130, .110, .85, .65
    Tuned ADGC (All four strings dropped one step)
  5. Cool. It ws a bit unclear in your initial post. I bet there's some serious thunder. I myself have been seriously toying with CGDA tuning, which is also providing some amazing tone.

    I think CGDA is it for me. I like the 5ths tuning far more than the 4ths.

  6. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR
    And all that glory through an Eden Rig. Oh, my cup runneth over. Now if I drop in maybe some new pups or a new bidge, or both...I might not need a new bass for quite a while...
  7. SuperDuck


    Sep 26, 2000
    Man, what am I going to do with those tenor strings I got you for Christmas?
  8. What about that single ten inch speaker I got you for Christmas!?
  9. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR
  10. mind if i ask why you string low and tune lower?
  11. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR
    [edit- I think there might be a discrepency...BEAD down one step (open, not drop) is ADGC, right? If not, then give me the right one, please]

    Because, in my tastse I find the lower tunings more...well, pleasing. I personally like big noises. I know that sounds juvenile, but that's really one of the reason I detune. I like those deep, rumbling bass sounds. Consequently, to get where I want to be, I have to down below "standard" Some would argue that the detuning is muddy, and infeasible, though I champion it. Heck Michael Manring has no problem with alternate tunings.

    (and now a Rant, not at you CJ, just people in general)

    Actually, that whole deal bothers me. People say they are so impressed a band can write so many songs in standard tuning. I think that's a crock. If I write 30 songs in E, then how is writing 30 songs in D, C, A or what have you, any less impressive? Are the lower sounds somehow inferior? I don't look at as detuning, I look at as retuning.

    Some people go by their entire life, not touching anything but standard tuning. Good for them. Tell you the truth, I as a bass player am not really happy unill I'm dropped down a step or two. It's in that lower register that I find myself the most creative, the most free...and yet some would say I'm less of a player for it. Standard? Bah. Who said what's standard anyway? It could have just as easily been DGCF, right? I think to rank on someone for detuning is a really weak, and unfounded attack.

    Now, It's what you do in that tuning that makes or breaks you. Reather frankly, if you're not impressed that I drop tune, then I'm not impressed that you won't.

    Rant over, though I'm feeling like I missed some points. If there's any response to this, then I'll probably take the time to express them in greater detail. (again, not at you CJ, you just got my ball rolling)
  12. first off -- you've got the transposition right. :)

    now, my two cents... being a five-string user, i don't see much sense in tuning the bass lower than, say b-flat (if the band is playing a half-step down). to me, lower than that sounds like, well, sludge. i read in a recent bass player that the guy in mudvanye (who, IMO, have to be one of the _worst_ groups ever signed to any label) tunes down even lower than you, to g-c-f-b-flat. (having heard some of their alleged music, i think it's safe to say that it's _really_ sludge.)

    having said that... i have dropped the e on my five down to d when the song called for it... but never the b to a. there really isn't a song in the world that i would ever play that would call for that.

    also having said that... sometimes i mess with alternate tunings when i write songs on guitar... as a matter of fact, the last two riffs that i came up with in my head recently, ended up being written in dropped-d. i blame my sonic youth influence... which admittedly calls for the bass to stay in standard tuning :)

    i can see dropping the e string to d on a four-string
  13. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR
    Define mud. :D

    Actually...I really like Mudvayne. Like Tool, on crack. And I tried G...THAT's mud. I just like ADGC, is all. Actually, a large part of it is Jiving with my guitar player, who is in open D. So I have to drop everythind down one step to be in tune with him.

    That, and like I said...Biiiiig noises.
  14. i think you just defined mud yourself, b.

    drop-d or even dgdg on the bass would probably work the same way as the tuning you currently are using. probably offer more variations for you to use as well, considering all adgc is, is the same hand positions as eadg, only a fifth lower. (i put it that way only because you're using a four string. if you were using a fiver i'd have said you'd only be going a second lower).

    on crack? try more like weed dusted with acid, angel dust, and elephant tranquilizer. :eek: i heard one song from them and a certain lenny kravitz quote came to mind.

    heh. my idea of big bass sounds is jah wobble on the first two public image ltd. albums, "first issue" and "second edition"... standard tuning, but deep booming tone coming from (i found out much later) flatwound strings, picked only with his index finger like james jamerson... i go with half-rounds myself, best of both worlds there. :D
  15. Personally, i think Tool is creative as hell, but Mudvayne is utter crap. I don't get the comparison, but, then again, it's an opinion issue.
  16. lo-end


    Jun 15, 2001
    I think that mudvayne is actually pretty talented, even though I hate their style of music. Theres just something wrong with a bunch of guys screaming at the top of their lungs. It just doesnt sound good to me.

    But from a technical standpoint, their music is very well made.
  17. and how about tuning a 5 F#-B-E-A-D ,of course you'd need really thick strings
  18. at that point, only worms would be able to hear the low F#. you wouldn't even hear it on a subwoofer.
  19. Sure you can hear the low F#.

    Low E's 44.5 Hz.
    44.5 / 2 is 22.25 Hz, that's an octave lower.
    22.25 / 12 (The chromatic scale) is 1.85 Hz.
    So 22.25 + 2 x 1.85 is 25.95 Hz which is the F#.

    Mathematically we should be able to hear it.

    Some useless information:

    22.25 / 2 is 11.125 Hz
    11.125 / 12 is 0.927 Hz
    22.25 - 2 x 0.927 is 20.396 Hz

    So the lowest note the human ear can hear is D. So if you take your six stringer and tune the F# to C (3 steps down), no one can hear what you're playing. Wouldn't that be great?

    Please note that my mathematical knowledge is not the subject here, and if these results are found to be horribly wrong I will deny all responcebility and blame everything on Bob.
  20. I don't know if your values are correct, but something around 20 is right. And Humans stop hearing at 16 Hz and that is a lot lower than F# so everyone should be able to hear a F# and if they can't hear they'll FEEL it if you have a good subwoofer