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Kahler Bass Tremolo in a SBMM Ray34?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Ian Perge, May 6, 2018.

  1. I’ll try can keep my usual verbose style reined in and get right to the point: anybody from either the Spector Club, the Effects Forum, or who knows me in general may recall my long-standing desire for a Kahler Bass Tremolo-and-Mainiac Music Bass Sustainiac, self-dubbed an “Effects Bass” - with a touch of mild Overdrive it’ll has the “growl” of a bowed Cello or Bass, with stronger Distortion and other Effects you can imagine just how out there you can get tonally... very much like Sustainiac-equipped Guitars, but in our Octave (some examples from YouTube: 1, 2, & 3: covering a “Type O Negative” song, whose Bassist/Vocalist used a rare Fernandes Bass Sustainer along with plenty of Distortion to play chordally and become the de-facto “Rhythm Bass” on their songs)

    My original plan was to route & mount both on a beauty of a Spector “Euro Bolt-On” 4 DLX FM (aka “ReBop”, a silly name for a fantastic Bass, IMO) ala a number of Spector Players but most highly Doug Wimbush & Dave LaRue before he moved to EBMM in the early ‘90s. However, I came to the conclusion that routing for the “Guitar-style” Neck Position of the Sustainiac Driver as well as possibly to route & permanently change the Pickup Positions to work better with the Sustainiac would be far too risky as well as expensive on a Bass this nice - it has both very nice flame vertical as well as lovely wood grain horizontally.

    ...which leads me to the “Sterling By Music Man Ray34”. I just picked up a Ray35QM in “Neptune Blue” 4-6 weeks ago (I went with the QM model as it has a Mahogany body & I’m not the World’s Biggest Fan of the scooped-mids of Swamp Ash) and been having a great time with it; physically with its string-spacing and neck as well as tonally with the pickup & the electronic versatility, etc. And then it came to me that with the 4-string version I wouldn't have to worry about the Sustainiac routing nearly as much with it being under a Pickguard, as well as a flat-topped as opposed to the carve of a Spector. The “sweet-spot” position of the Stingray-style Pickup would also save me from having to re-route for better Pickup positions. And finally, I’d be doing this project on a $650-$850 Bass as opposed to one that now runs in the $1000-$1200+ as a NOS, Never Left My Music Room Bass.

    I’ve also done both a Google Image Search as well as one of all my Bass Pictures and have seen more than one Music Man Stingray routed and equipped with a Kahler Bass Trem, but as it would not be going into exactly that Bass, my question is such...

    Can I fit a Kahler Bass Tremolo onto a “Sterling By Music Man Ray 34”? I have both a 2400 Forward Saddle Pro Series as well as a 7410 Rearward Saddle Hybrid, so I’m pretty sure I’m covered in both directions (pardon the pun) as well as tentatively sure it’s the latter I’d need to use - I’d just prefer if I had someone cover *MY* “Rearward Saddles” before I start this project. ;)

    (...and so much for not being verbose. :banghead:)
  2. wvbass

    wvbass Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2004
    West Virginia
    I can't answer your question, but maybe you can answer mine.

    What is the difference between the 2400 and the 7410?
  3. The 2400/2410 are the “original” USA-made Kahler design and were “handmade” with most-to-all parts milled from various metals (Brass, Steel, Aluminum).

    The 7410 is the “modern” Kahler design, when they came back to Guitar & Bass tremolos & bridges in 2005 after spending the Grunge Years making Golfing equipment. The 7410 “Hybrid” models are factory forged overseas, but I haven’t heard of an appreciable quality issue between the two. They are also said to have a somewhat simpler design and installation.
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  4. Very cool when I was playing lead guitar all the time all my guitars had a floyd rose on them, and I have had mahler. I like to get one installed in my Fender J bass.
  5. charlie monroe

    charlie monroe Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 14, 2011
    Buffalo, NY
    Your Spector is not NOS. It may be 'minty', but it is a used bass.
  6. fretno

    fretno Supporting Member

    May 10, 2009
    Los Angeles
    I wish I could help but all I can do is wank some more
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  7. tleeitsme

    tleeitsme Supporting Member

    Sep 8, 2017
    mark white of the spin doctors uses a kahler on a stingray. googling live pics might help you figure out which he uses
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  8. amimbari


    May 6, 2008
    Pittsburgh, PA
    the biggest difference/improvement between a 2410/7410 is the 7410 string slots/holders move sideways so the string is in line with the roller saddle for better tuning stability when you mess with the string spacing, the 2400/2410 are one big bar on the cam -

    Marks bass had a 2410.

    Last edited: Apr 20, 2019
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