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Kaman Music Acquires Genz Benz.......Good Or Bad??

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by ebozzz, Sep 14, 2003.


  1. ebozzz

    ebozzz Supporting Member

    May 17, 2001
    Denver, Colorado
  2. The 0x

    The 0x

    Aug 24, 2003
    Timonium, MD
    They made me a good Acoustic guitar, so i'm sure they won't be like Fenders acquisition of SWR.
     
  3. ebozzz

    ebozzz Supporting Member

    May 17, 2001
    Denver, Colorado
    That nice to know Ox. Thanks for the insight.
     
  4. gfab333

    gfab333

    Mar 22, 2000
    Honolulu, Hawaii
    Sheesh, CBS buys Fender, Gibson buys Tobias, Fender buys SWR, Washburn buys Eden, and I can't remember all the others in between.

    I guess I'm OK with it as long as they don't start making the bass cabinets with rounded backs made out of black plastic material. Just kidding!
     
  5. natebass

    natebass

    Sep 6, 2001
    Bremerton, WA
    only problem I have with Kaman is how Trace Elliot fared with them. I had one of the gotoh bridged Cruise basses and it was all right - had a problem with the action; but Kaman took care of me really well on that.
     
  6. thumbtrap

    thumbtrap

    Jun 26, 2003
    When is it ever good when a good company gets bought out by a larger company with a less respected product?
     
  7. LarryJ

    LarryJ banned

    Dec 12, 1999
    Encino, CA (LA)
    'Sup Bozz!
    I always thought that GBenz held an unusual position in the market in that they were not considered "elite" bass cabinets like EA, Bergantino, Aguilar, etc But IMO sounded every bit as good- I have a 112T that does the job-
    Maybe if they had doubled the price, they would have had snob appeal and been considered elite high end!:D
    As to your ?- If Jeff Genzler continues to remain involved in the design, and the cabs continue to be well-made in the USA, perhaps the Kaman buy will simply enhance their market share thru advertising promotion, etc. Have to wait & see what their new line will consist of.
    To me, their bass heads were good sounding and comparable to say GK or any good SS unit & as I said b4, I think their cabinets hang in their with anything on the market.
     
  8. Richard Lindsey

    Richard Lindsey

    Mar 25, 2000
    Metro NYC
    Sometimes it actually is good. For example, Kaman has done a *great* job with Hamer, which they bought a while back. They've basically left them alone and told them to do what they do. Hamer now makes *fewer* USA Hamers a year than they did when they were independent, there is just as much hand work involved if not more, and they're making better guitars than they ever have IMHO.

    Generalizations are dangerous. ;)
     
  9. ebozzz

    ebozzz Supporting Member

    May 17, 2001
    Denver, Colorado
    :D

    LarryJ,

    I'm intrigued by the new Benz NeoX 212. GuitarX has one in stock but I have yet to try it. Man, is it light! The construction also appears to be top notch. I'm probably going a little overboard but that Neo 212 feels like one of my GB-12T cabs!
     
  10. If what Kaman has done with Hamer and Ovation sets a precedent, then the acquisition will be a good thing. They kept their noses out and their money in.
     
  11. steve-o

    steve-o Guest

    Apr 17, 2002
    i was talking to the rep of fender about swr.
    they are not mixing the lineups or using swr stuff relabeled...atleast not yet.

    he said that they will have them help out on the design of there preamps..and fender will help on there power amps. they say that there is some inhert problems with swrs poweramps..what i do not know...

    we will jsut wait and see what happens

    steve
     
  12. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    I used to own a 112T and now own both Epi and Berg 112s. The GB certainly is a nice little cab but no way does it sound "every bit as good".

    Have you actually heard the more expensive cabinets? :confused:
     
  13. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    Kaman Music didn't acquire Ovation, it's closer to the opposite. Ovation was the company that spawned Kaman Music.

    Before Charlie Kaman decided to start making guitars, he was in the aerospace business. Read about it here:

    http://www.ovationguitars.com/?fa=history
     
  14. LarryJ

    LarryJ banned

    Dec 12, 1999
    Encino, CA (LA)
    Yeah, Ive "actually heard" (& currently own some of) the more expensive cabinets. and I think the GB is every bit as
    good. If paying high bucks and/or reading specs makes you think you have a "better sound", cool.

    I can live w/my $300 GB and get the sound I want from it and my PLAYING SKILLS, not a designer label.
    So do whatever you want & stuff your flaming BS!
    OK???:spit:
     
  15. ebozzz

    ebozzz Supporting Member

    May 17, 2001
    Denver, Colorado
    I have to agree with you Brian. I really like my Benz cabs but Bergs are better. ;)

    Personally, I would take the Benz product over SWR, Ampeg, Eden, GK, etc. but each of thsoe companies have nice gear. Just not for me. I've heard the Bergs and the AccuGrooves. For my money, the Bergantinos are it but I could be very happy with a nice selection from Genz Benz.
     
  16. ebozzz

    ebozzz Supporting Member

    May 17, 2001
    Denver, Colorado
    Larry,

    The prices for Genz Benz products has increased. A 610T-XB2 is not much less than a Bergantino HT-322 now.
     
  17. jerry

    jerry Doesn't know BDO Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 13, 1999
    Hawaii
    The odds are that it will be a bad idea IMHO;)
     
  18. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    ROTFL

    I wasn't flaming, it wasn't BS and if you can't hear the difference between a GB, Berg and Epi 12" cab then I suggest you see an eye and ear specialist soon.

    Have a great day :D
     
  19. ebozzz

    ebozzz Supporting Member

    May 17, 2001
    Denver, Colorado
    I guess that it all boils down to what you're looking for. I've never heard an Epifani. To my ears the Berg 12 has a better voice than the Benz 12 but I think that the Benz 12 sounds bigger. Either way, both are nice cabs and I could be extremely happy with either. In fact, I already am with the the ywo GB-12Ts that I have. ;)
     
  20. LarryJ

    LarryJ banned

    Dec 12, 1999
    Encino, CA (LA)
    (Rolling on the floor---pitying...)

    Yeah, you're right, its ALL a matter of the cabinet you use, with its superior and distinctive sound being the determinant of how well the bass is being played...What was I thinking???? When I took a Master Class w/Ron Carter he told me to get rid of the 'Benz cabinet
    & upgrade to an Epifani or Bergantino because THAT would improve my playing.

    Have a great day yourself, & let it drop, foo'!
    :D